Is this progression I wrote a ii V I in C Major?

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Hi. My progression goes dmin9 Gmin7b5 CMaj9 C7with9 F13 Bdim7 C7 Amin7 then starts over. Is it a ii V I in C like I suspect, or is it something different? It's perhaps more than a ii V I because there are more chords than that, but I'd heard of a ii V I before so I thought it worthwhile to ask. (ii V I I IV VII I VI) lol could be wrong.

Thanks for your replies.

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It looks, at first glance, to be two passes through a ii-V-I structure (albeit with some borrowing from the parallel minor). On the second pass you have a IV, which can take the place of a ii and the diminished chord that follows acts as a dominant. The Amin at the end then acts as a dominant to the ii that kicks it off again.

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If you have Gm7b5 C9 F, it's ii V I in F*. You kind of do but with a 'Maj9' inserted. Your chord labels have me questioning what they are: you find a necessity to show the C9 as having a 7th, but there is a plain 13 for the F. Normally I would take that as F7, at least, with a 13. If that's it, ie., your thinking is F13 is sufficient, C9 is as well.

I would never say the minor/minor 7 chord (Am7 here) acts as a dominant. That's a reach, in order to shoehorn function in where it does not appear to work like that. Dmin9, if it's D minor with a 9th is probably not i; in the jazz sort of practice where we talk a lot about ii V I the V is an actual dominant type, ie., major triad minor 7 (Maj/Min 7) construction by definition. Minor quality *v* isn't dominant in character or function.

F7 (13) is dominant type. There's no reason any of it has to be standard per se. You do have IV V I in C after sort of *tonicizing the F/IV (by a definite dominant of F to F).

It is the root movement 2 5 1 in C, yes. It's ii, [minor] v, I, however.
The normal function ii V I, no. Your label "CMaj9" probably indicates Major 7 type, add 9; so at face value it's tonic type.
Last edited by jancivil on Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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If we did have A7 to Dm9, the latter can both be temporary tonic and ii of C. To me Am7 doesn't work to tonicize Dm.

Jazz changes actually came about by tonicizing non-tonic chords in standards and Broadway show tunes.

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Thanks. I'm going to try a lead in F lydian. I haven't a clue how to write the bassline other than to go "D, G,C, etc". Also, I decided that instead of running through the progression a second time in its original format that it should then go to D7, G7, C6add9.


*sorry for my bad chord labeling! :)

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jancivil wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:12 pm If you have Gm7b5 C9 F, it's ii V I in F*. You kind of do but with a 'Maj9' inserted. Your chord labels have me questioning what they are: you find a necessity to show the C9 as having a 7th, but there is a plain 13 for the F. Normally I would take that as F7, at least, with a 13. If that's it, ie., your thinking is F13 is sufficient, C9 is as well.

I would never say the minor/minor 7 chord (Am7 here) acts as a dominant. That's a reach, in order to shoehorn function in where it does not appear to work like that. Dmin9, if it's D minor with a 9th is probably not i; in the jazz sort of practice where we talk a lot about ii V I the V is an actual dominant type, ie., major triad minor 7 (Maj/Min 7) construction by definition. Minor quality *v* isn't dominant in character or function.

F7 (13) is dominant type. There's no reason any of it has to be standard per se. You do have IV V I in C after sort of *tonicizing the F/IV (by a definite dominant of F to F).

It is the root movement 2 5 1 in C, yes. It's ii, [minor] v, I, however.
The normal function ii V I, no. Your label "CMaj9" probably indicates Major 7 type, add 9; so at face value it's tonic type.
I'm so sorry! I told you a wrong chord...

The Gm7b5 isn't right. It's actually a G7#5. I apologize.

maybe now my thinking it was a ii V I actually makes sense with a V instead of a v. Lol! :dog: sorry

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Slightly OT, but George Michael used a I vi ii V7 in C, in "Last Christmas". :)

Basically doo-wop, but swapping the F for Dm, to get a proper ii V7 I happening.
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Same thing basically, typically the ii is ii6, and it's subdominant function anyway.
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spendthrift2 wrote: Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:14 pm The Gm7b5 isn't right.
Struck me as a bit odd, or weak considering the seemingly goal-oriented kind of thing you had going.

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