Mulab's CPU efficiency
- KVRAF
- 4764 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Did you read this:
https://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab ... setup.html
https://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab ... setup.html
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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I was playing live, not recording.VariKusBrainZ wrote:Surely this only works for notes programmed into the piano roll, no Daw can predict what will be played in realtime via a controller lolsfxsound3 wrote:. Reaper and DP have anticipative, or render ahead processing, which is why they are more effective by A LOT. You could try DP too and see for yourself. MuLab obviously doesn't have such things - you can't blame it, though, most apps don't have 'em.
Fluffy - can you confim if youre playing back pre programmed chords from the piano roll or via a controller in realtime and can you confirm both hosts are definately using the same Asio settings.
Is there any difference if you have the synth Gui visible or not?
Open or closed GUI does not make any difference.
- KVRAF
- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
It can't, but it can be processed live over multiple cores. Reaper has that option, some other DAWs don't.VariKusBrainZ wrote:How can a note I havent yet played on my keyboard be pre rendered?EvilDragon wrote:It doesn't matter if notes are programmed or not. It's a matter of taking a chunk of data in advance and rendering it ahead of time. So it will work with audio data and FX plugins on the track, for example, not just notes.
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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I no longer use the Asus card, I use the audio of my motherboard, which I deliberately picked for that purpose.EvilDragon wrote:The thing is that the fluffy doesn't have a "pro" or even a semi-pro audio interface, he has a gamer-home user Asus card. Those aren't usually known for their awesome ASIO drivers, because ASIO is not a priority for such devices.
Fluffy, you might wanna consider to upgrade your audio interface at some point, and get one that is not intended for gamers
https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty% ... p#Overview
But the audio issues in Mulab were the same on the old computer when I was still using the Asus card and drivers. So, I don't think it is a hardware or driver issue. Back then I was demoing Diva, which is also said to be rather demanding.
- KVRAF
- 23077 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Well, same thing, motherboard audio chips aren't much to write home about as far as ASIO is concerned...
However all things being equal, this is not a hardware/driver issue. Reaper is obviously more efficient, but that's a bird song by now already
However all things being equal, this is not a hardware/driver issue. Reaper is obviously more efficient, but that's a bird song by now already
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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That was very useful, especially the part where it says that only real cores matter, not hyperthreaded ones. So, I reduced the number from 8 to 4 and there are no more num overloads in the extended CPU meter statistics, I don't hear any crackling, eitherMichael L wrote:Did you read this:
https://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab ... setup.html
The meter still shows a rather high value, though.
Is there a way to see the load that corresponds to the RT load in Reaper?
Windows task manager also shows a higher load, about twice that of Reaper.
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- KVRAF
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The question is, how much more efficient is it. I remember making a test with Diva, and i was able to use one more voice with a very expensive patch in Reaper, than i was able to use in Cubase 6. I can't imagine that leading to crackles all over the place, when it just uses 3 % of the CPU, or something in Reaper. I'm sure there's an issue/difference with the settings.EvilDragon wrote: However all things being equal, this is not a hardware/driver issue. Reaper is obviously more efficient, but that's a bird song by now already
But, again, i would in no case run ASIO4ALL with 128 samples, that's just nonsense. It isn't designed to provide the kind of latency you get with adapted ASIO drivers, AFAIK, it's rather a compatibility layer, so to say, to provide low latency on cards which don't offer factory ASIO drivers. 384 samples or more will be more than sufficient, and don't tax your CPU too hard.
I don't get why there's a need for such low latency anyway, if you're just doodling around, or you're MIDI sequencing.
- KVRAF
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I was using 256 samples with A4A on my 7 years old laptop with great success...
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- KVRAF
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OK, it probably is different with different hardware anyway. For me, i could never get lower than 384, when i added some tracks to the project, or i had crackles with my soundcards. Guess you'll have to figure it out yourself, depending on the hardware you have. 128 seems low to me though. I use that with my UR22, and it works fine, 96 gave me crackles though.
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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Maybe ASIO4ALL never was the problem in your case, either.chk071 wrote:OK, it probably is different with different hardware anyway. For me, i could never get lower than 384, when i added some tracks to the project, or i had crackles with my soundcards. Guess you'll have to figure it out yourself, depending on the hardware you have. 128 seems low to me though. I use that with my UR22, and it works fine, 96 gave me crackles though.
That guy who wrote it seems to know a whole lot about that topic, maybe unlike Asus programmers who don't really care about ASIO, anyway.
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
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I am not so sure stating buffer sizes as such makes much sense unless you also state the sampling rate.
I use only 44.1 kHz, so maybe that's why my system does not have CPU problems as such.
How many ms of latency do 44.1 kHz & 128 samples result in? I heard that 10 ms is a recommended value...
The Midi controller quality also plays a role, some controllers have much less latency than others. Maybe a USB issue...
I use only 44.1 kHz, so maybe that's why my system does not have CPU problems as such.
How many ms of latency do 44.1 kHz & 128 samples result in? I heard that 10 ms is a recommended value...
The Midi controller quality also plays a role, some controllers have much less latency than others. Maybe a USB issue...
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10 ms is not the issue it depends what are you doingfluffy_little_something wrote:I am not so sure stating buffer sizes as such makes much sense unless you also state the sampling rate.
I use only 44.1 kHz, so maybe that's why my system does not have CPU problems as such.
How many ms of latency do 44.1 kHz & 128 samples result in? I heard that 10 ms is a recommended value...
The Midi controller quality also plays a role, some controllers have much less latency than others. Maybe a USB issue...
if you wand to do something live reduce the buffer size
anf if you are using only synths or cpu heavy effect and not doing something live crank that buffer size high as much as possible (not too much like 1s or such 1024 samples will be ok)
i personally use 48khz(thats the standard) and i left the audio streaming setting to safe and the buffer size to auto in my behringer's audio setting which adjusts it automitically sometimes its 852 samples and sometime 512 samples
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Win 10 x64 with specs enough to run DAW without bouncing any track
KZ IEM,32-bit 384Khz dac running at 32bit 48Khz
mainly use REAPER, MTotalbundle, Unfiltered Audio TRIAD and LION, NI classic collection,......... ETC
KZ IEM,32-bit 384Khz dac running at 32bit 48Khz
mainly use REAPER, MTotalbundle, Unfiltered Audio TRIAD and LION, NI classic collection,......... ETC
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- KVRAF
- 35264 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Most hosts show you the input and output latency, depending on the chose buffer size. Cubase, Studio One and Reaper definitely do. For Reaper, it's shown in the window title bar, or project title bar, i think.
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128 spls, 7.6 ms
256 spls, 10.0 ms
256 spls, 10.0 ms