I totally missed this one. When was that a give away in the plugin collective?
Which reverb and how to use it properly?
- KVRAF
- 2110 posts since 5 Oct, 2015 from Swedish / Living in Hong Kong
Win 10 -64bit, CPU i7-7700K, 32Gb, Focusrite 2i2, FL-studio 20, Studio One 4, Reason 10
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- KVRAF
- 35439 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
It must have been around early 2017, because i activated the plugin at that time. I guess iZotope will have some sales now that Exponential Audio is one of their brands, but... i'm not very familiar with their sales policy.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 82 posts since 27 Jun, 2019
will demo this, not too clued up on ilock but seems a pain in the assEtienne1973 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:11 pm Relab Sonsig Rev-A released just a few days ago was really an ear opener for me. =)
Will demo the fabfilter as i like their stuff but hopefully i dont like this because its expensive
does R4 have everything a reverb should? i cant see a pre-delay or decay time knob from looking at it on their site.
When using a reverb for mixing should you be sending the tracks to the same reverb but just with different send amounts? Ive always used different reverbs and settings for leads, vocals etc.. but now i think about it using just one might make more sense to give the whole mix a more natural and better sound
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- KVRist
- 360 posts since 26 Oct, 2018
TB Reverb 4 has tons of stuff. Pre-Delay is on bottom. Decay is controlled with size/depth/mass to control reverberations of both early and late stages. You can change decay times according to frequency as well with one of the tabs.Sk1nZ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:44 pmdoes R4 have everything a reverb should? i cant see a pre-delay or decay time knob from looking at it on their site.
When using a reverb for mixing should you be sending the tracks to the same reverb but just with different send amounts? Ive always used different reverbs and settings for leads, vocals etc.. but now i think about it using just one might make more sense to give the whole mix a more natural and better sound
For sends, yes, you would send the track to the same reverb. In general yes, it makes the mix more cohesive to have a main reverb. Think of it as simulating a space, such as warehouse or church or ethereal world. Would sound weird to have clap with warehouse reverb, synth with church reverb, and synth with ethereal shimmer, and vocals with room reverb.But thats not to say it’s a rule written in stone. Sometimes I have a reverb on kick that has a predelay over 200ms so it hits on upbeat to give it groove, and main reverb on send that has quite a bit less delay, for synths n such. Other times Ill have two reverb sends, same settings except one with different eq, to give each reverb it’s own space. Same predelay, size, etc. just diff EQ.
The sends are usually 100% wet so youll send the amount you want. I usually cut back the amount towards end of mix or cut down the width on the reverb a bit so it keeps definition and isnt too wide. I like my music being close to mono tho, but thats just me. Just mess around with it. Youll find your technique.
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- KVRAF
- 2402 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
Interesting. I love stereo imaging. I’lI mix everything in mono, which is key for depth and a certain aspect of dimension, and then flip it back to stereo, and adjust the stereo imaging to “match” my mono mix without actually being close to mono; only low and some frequencies are in mono. I get a lot of mileage out of “cheap” reverbs like Live’s this way too ( great for adding some mono depth and space in the middle/back of a mix).Butwug wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:56 pmTB Reverb 4 has tons of stuff. Pre-Delay is on bottom. Decay is controlled with size/depth/mass to control reverberations of both early and late stages. You can change decay times according to frequency as well with one of the tabs.Sk1nZ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:44 pmdoes R4 have everything a reverb should? i cant see a pre-delay or decay time knob from looking at it on their site.
When using a reverb for mixing should you be sending the tracks to the same reverb but just with different send amounts? Ive always used different reverbs and settings for leads, vocals etc.. but now i think about it using just one might make more sense to give the whole mix a more natural and better sound
For sends, yes, you would send the track to the same reverb. In general yes, it makes the mix more cohesive to have a main reverb. Think of it as simulating a space, such as warehouse or church or ethereal world. Would sound weird to have clap with warehouse reverb, synth with church reverb, and synth with ethereal shimmer, and vocals with room reverb.But thats not to say it’s a rule written in stone. Sometimes I have a reverb on kick that has a predelay over 200ms so it hits on upbeat to give it groove, and main reverb on send that has quite a bit less delay, for synths n such. Other times Ill have two reverb sends, same settings except one with different eq, to give each reverb it’s own space. Same predelay, size, etc. just diff EQ.
The sends are usually 100% wet so youll send the amount you want. I usually cut back the amount towards end of mix or cut down the width on the reverb a bit so it keeps definition and isnt too wide. I like my music being close to mono tho, but thats just me. Just mess around with it. Youll find your technique.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 82 posts since 27 Jun, 2019
How would you sidechain the different tracks if only using one reverb? Have a compressor for each track you want the sidechain on? So id end up with like 4 or 5 compressors on the reverb send
Have just spent a few hours demo'ing fab-r and r4 and not really liking r4 but fab-r is nice. Whats suprised me most is how good abletons stock reverb is. Ive tested all 3 very well on everything from vocals, guitars, bass etc.. and not once did abletons sound any worse but this might be me having used it for years and not knowing fab-r very well. I watch a lot of deadmau5 and kshmr on youtube and ive seen them use abletons reverb more than any other so this also gives me more confidence with it and they seem to be doing alright
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- KVRAF
- 1742 posts since 9 Jul, 2014 from UK
No. Turn on the sidechain function on the compressor on the reverb channel then send each track you want side chained, to it.
I wonder what happens if I press this button...
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- KVRist
- 360 posts since 26 Oct, 2018
I dont sidechain reverb send myself but it’s possible, using Dynamics plugin on Bitwig, with the kick triggering it. I believe this is pretty much like Ableton’s sidechain compression (could be wrong as Ive never used Ableton.)Sk1nZ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:12 pmHow would you sidechain the different tracks if only using one reverb? Have a compressor for each track you want the sidechain on? So id end up with like 4 or 5 compressors on the reverb send
Have just spent a few hours demo'ing fab-r and r4 and not really liking r4 but fab-r is nice. Whats suprised me most is how good abletons stock reverb is. Ive tested all 3 very well on everything from vocals, guitars, bass etc.. and not once did abletons sound any worse but this might be me having used it for years and not knowing fab-r very well. I watch a lot of deadmau5 and kshmr on youtube and ive seen them use abletons reverb more than any other so this also gives me more confidence with it and they seem to be doing alright
One thing people use as well is ducking via LFO tool/Kickstart/Tal Filter 2. It’s pretty much volume automation with a curve of your choice. Ducks for kick, and then volume goes up after, however you draw the curve.
https://youtu.be/uIN82zitnRI
Another thing I do with reverb is set up a chain on a synth I want a lot of reverb on and set it up so that the dry signal of the synth ducks the reverb. It lets the synth pokes through and doesnt get drowned out by reverb. I just copy paste the reverb Im using on the send and throw it on the track’s chain and dont send that track to the reverb send.
So many ways to do things it can be over whelming lol If you like Abletons reverb, stick to it and save the money! Once you feel like youre missing something, fill that gap with whatever reverb you are looking for.
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- KVRAF
- 2989 posts since 5 Nov, 2014
Compress and gate your reverb
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 82 posts since 27 Jun, 2019
Not a big fan of lfo tool for sidechain and much prefer it from a trigger. And yes i sometimes chain and sidechain from the dry signal on the track itself, very handy for reverb and delays etc..
At the moment i have different reverb sends setup for the specific tracks such as vocals, drums etc.. and each send has a sidechain compressor which is set to the track its coming from so it ducks the reverb from the dry signal. If im using one reverb send then surely id need a compressor for each track im sending to it so id end up with like 5 compressors on my one reverb send
Think il just have to play around with it
You mean have the kick trigger it? I would do that aswell but thats not what i meant, im wanting to sidechain from the dry signal of the vocal, lead, drums etc... anything im sending to it.ramseysounds wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:14 pm No. Turn on the sidechain function on the compressor on the reverb channel then send each track you want side chained, to it.
At the moment i have different reverb sends setup for the specific tracks such as vocals, drums etc.. and each send has a sidechain compressor which is set to the track its coming from so it ducks the reverb from the dry signal. If im using one reverb send then surely id need a compressor for each track im sending to it so id end up with like 5 compressors on my one reverb send
Think il just have to play around with it
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- KVRAF
- 35439 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
This thread reminded me that i always wanted to try to get a replacement for Spire's onboard reverb. Just gave it another go, using R2, TB-Reverb-4, and Waves TrueVerb. No chance... they all sound so differently.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 82 posts since 27 Jun, 2019
spire got a decent reverb i take it? I did demo spire for a few hours then forgot about it but really liked the sounds from it. Might give it another go soon
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 82 posts since 27 Jun, 2019
- KVRAF
- 5813 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Eventide Blackhole (excellent) but also the Eventide Ultrareverb. They are often on sale and very cheap.
You don't like it, but Valhalla is still the best for the money and very versatile, so I would not completely remove it from the list.
With your budget you have not so many options, there are tons of excellent reverbs but not for $50...
You don't like it, but Valhalla is still the best for the money and very versatile, so I would not completely remove it from the list.
With your budget you have not so many options, there are tons of excellent reverbs but not for $50...
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