Patterns generator vst for Atlas
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1140 posts since 2 Feb, 2005
Hi, I hope this is the right place to ask as I am looking for a pattern generator which can randomly generator patterns and midi out to Atlas. As you may know that Atlas has no sequencer at the moment but XO got a very good randomize which can generate patterns for drums. I first thought of Geist but it has a very good pattern/song mode but doesn't have any random capability. Really appreciate if you guys can share your thoughts on this topic.
P.S I have riffer but it though it can randomly generate patterns but not in poly-mode
Thanks!
Cowby
P.S I have riffer but it though it can randomly generate patterns but not in poly-mode
Thanks!
Cowby
- KVRian
- 985 posts since 23 Oct, 2009 from Italy
12 years old PC running :Reaper;Reason;Dune;Zampler;Kontakr;Reaktor;and many others countless vst
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- KVRAF
- 2003 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo
Geist 2 doesn't have a random pattern generator but each pad step can have a probability parameter. Easiest way to do this is with a drag edit. Set a probability less than 100 on a step, suggest around 25%. Then drag it across the pad lane to fill the entire lane. Do this for every pad you want randomized hits on. Set probability to 100% if you always want a hit on a step. You can do this for every pad, then save the pattern. You can then load the pattern whenever you want it.
Also, don't forget, Geist 2 has step patterns. Right-click on a pad, Choose Insert, and there are graphical step representations. They are all very reasonable for percussion.
With that said, get XO on sale this Black Friday, it's totally worth it if you want random beat sequencing. It's not entirely random, there are just many well-thought out presets specific to percussion types and the combinations are near limitless. The workflow is tuned to quick beat generation. It's ridiculously fun and you can always revert to the original state. And since it comes with the similarity database functionality, you can get different flavors just by swapping a few samples out while auditioning with your pattern. Personally I think it's better than Atlas right now.
One other thing I'm doing. Exporting the patterns as MIDI from XO then importing them into Geist 2. Then I can also bring the generated kit into Geist 2 for more intricate processing, round-robins/multisamples, etc.. With the pattern I can create more variability every time it loops since Geist 2's sequencing is really good at manipulation. So you leverage the strength of XO's search and generation and level up what it produces with Geist 2.
Also, don't forget, Geist 2 has step patterns. Right-click on a pad, Choose Insert, and there are graphical step representations. They are all very reasonable for percussion.
With that said, get XO on sale this Black Friday, it's totally worth it if you want random beat sequencing. It's not entirely random, there are just many well-thought out presets specific to percussion types and the combinations are near limitless. The workflow is tuned to quick beat generation. It's ridiculously fun and you can always revert to the original state. And since it comes with the similarity database functionality, you can get different flavors just by swapping a few samples out while auditioning with your pattern. Personally I think it's better than Atlas right now.
One other thing I'm doing. Exporting the patterns as MIDI from XO then importing them into Geist 2. Then I can also bring the generated kit into Geist 2 for more intricate processing, round-robins/multisamples, etc.. With the pattern I can create more variability every time it loops since Geist 2's sequencing is really good at manipulation. So you leverage the strength of XO's search and generation and level up what it produces with Geist 2.
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- KVRist
- 440 posts since 18 Feb, 2019
I use Microtonic midi to sequence Atlas
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I thought I remembered seeing some hinting that they were working on an internal sequencer for Atlas. Hopefully that happens soon...
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1140 posts since 2 Feb, 2005
Thanks for your suggestion. I am still demoing XO but sadly speaking, it has only A-B patterns which is very limited and not like Geist can combine patterns into a "Song". And for Atlas, I know they are cooking up the sequencer and more features are coming but if they build a sequencer from ground up and have the features like XO (though XO sequencer still have lot of things to add) then it will be a big project to them consider they are a new company. No one knows if their new sequencer will look like ....yellowmix wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 5:26 am Geist 2 doesn't have a random pattern generator but each pad step can have a probability parameter. Easiest way to do this is with a drag edit. Set a probability less than 100 on a step, suggest around 25%. Then drag it across the pad lane to fill the entire lane. Do this for every pad you want randomized hits on. Set probability to 100% if you always want a hit on a step. You can do this for every pad, then save the pattern. You can then load the pattern whenever you want it.
Also, don't forget, Geist 2 has step patterns. Right-click on a pad, Choose Insert, and there are graphical step representations. They are all very reasonable for percussion.
With that said, get XO on sale this Black Friday, it's totally worth it if you want random beat sequencing. It's not entirely random, there are just many well-thought out presets specific to percussion types and the combinations are near limitless. The workflow is tuned to quick beat generation. It's ridiculously fun and you can always revert to the original state. And since it comes with the similarity database functionality, you can get different flavors just by swapping a few samples out while auditioning with your pattern. Personally I think it's better than Atlas right now.
One other thing I'm doing. Exporting the patterns as MIDI from XO then importing them into Geist 2. Then I can also bring the generated kit into Geist 2 for more intricate processing, round-robins/multisamples, etc.. With the pattern I can create more variability every time it loops since Geist 2's sequencing is really good at manipulation. So you leverage the strength of XO's search and generation and level up what it produces with Geist 2.
P.S I also hope VPS Phalanx 2.0 has a built in seq
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- KVRAF
- 2591 posts since 8 Sep, 2009
Maybe RPE is something for you: https://hy-plugins.com/product/hy-rpewin-mac/
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- KVRAF
- 5717 posts since 8 Jun, 2009
Live only (as it's M4L): https://audiomodern.com/shop/max-for-li ... rator-pro/
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- KVRist
- 128 posts since 16 Feb, 2011
Hi
I’m looking for something similar, but also trying to hold off until I see the sequencer that they’re meant to be adding to Atlas in early 2020.
Audiomodern released Playbeat recently (same developer as Riffer). I was looking at this as an option to use with Atlas....it might be what you’re looking for?
https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
I’m looking for something similar, but also trying to hold off until I see the sequencer that they’re meant to be adding to Atlas in early 2020.
Audiomodern released Playbeat recently (same developer as Riffer). I was looking at this as an option to use with Atlas....it might be what you’re looking for?
https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
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- KVRist
- 349 posts since 13 Dec, 2004 from USA
Or get Riffer, limit the scale to what corresponds to the Atlas pads, and randomize from there. That was my go-to approach until I got ahold of Harvest, which to me has the ideal workflow of randomize -> lock notes you like and re-randomize the rest -> iterate until you have what you're looking for...greenmind72 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:09 am Hi
I’m looking for something similar, but also trying to hold off until I see the sequencer that they’re meant to be adding to Atlas in early 2020.
Audiomodern released Playbeat recently (same developer as Riffer). I was looking at this as an option to use with Atlas....it might be what you’re looking for?
https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
- KVRian
- 985 posts since 23 Oct, 2009 from Italy
Drum randomization it's something to take with care,Kick,snare and hats must to be a solid song background foundation,so it's better program and/or play with care with good timing,velocity and expression,different are top percussions,like congas,tablas,bells etc...some random feel can be applied.My 2 cents
12 years old PC running :Reaper;Reason;Dune;Zampler;Kontakr;Reaktor;and many others countless vst
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- KVRist
- 128 posts since 16 Feb, 2011
I should add, with Playbeat, you can generate sequences, pitch, and volume independently.greenmind72 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:09 am Hi
I’m looking for something similar, but also trying to hold off until I see the sequencer that they’re meant to be adding to Atlas in early 2020.
Audiomodern released Playbeat recently (same developer as Riffer). I was looking at this as an option to use with Atlas....it might be what you’re looking for?
https://audiomodern.com/shop/plugins/playbeat/
- KVRAF
- 11001 posts since 15 Apr, 2019 from Nowhere
Although there is software that can introduce non-random variations to existing patterns. I agree that random rarely gives good results with drums, but algorithms that preserve an underlying beat can be very useful in giving life to vanilla patterns.reusenoise wrote: ↑Mon Nov 25, 2019 10:52 am Drum randomization it's something to take with care,Kick,snare and hats must to be a solid song background foundation,so it's better program and/or play with care with good timing,velocity and expression,different are top percussions,like congas,tablas,bells etc...some random feel can be applied.My 2 cents