Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

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AnX
KVRAF
5717 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Post Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:00 pm

isnt Orion the only pattern based host (even tho its discontinued, but you still have it)

email Rich to get latest version (via support) he will prob give you V8.6 64bit version, as you are old pals

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crimsonwarlock
KVRAF
2280 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:11 pm

AnX wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:00 pm
isnt Orion the only pattern based host (even tho its discontinued, but you still have it)

email Rich to get latest version (via support) he will prob give you V8.6 64bit version, as you are old pals
I'm already sorted on that option. Have played a bit with it and will do some more, but currently I'm trying to build a workflow for sketching in reaper.
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.

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AnX
KVRAF
5717 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:27 pm

booooo :hihi:

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crimsonwarlock
KVRAF
2280 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:30 pm

AnX wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:27 pm
booooo :hihi:
:o






:D :D :D
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Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket

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BONES
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9033 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:57 pm

AnX wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:27 pm
booooo :hihi:
We're all jumping ship now, even me! Orion still works, it just doesn't work as well as I want it to across everything that we are doing now and everything that's happening these days.
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 17 (Core i7, 8GB RAM, Win10), UR44C, Cubase, DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Equator, Hive, Substance, Arcsyn, Aparillo, Straylight, Quanta, Trueno, Analog Keys, MicroMonsta, Uno, Skulpt, Craft 2.

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crimsonwarlock
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2280 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:59 pm

BONES wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:57 pm
Orion still works, it just doesn't work as well as I want it to across everything that we are doing now and everything that's happening these days.
That sums it up pretty accurately 8)

I still do like it that it's installed on my machine again. Will surely use it to make some sounds and maybe sample it to use it in another way or stuff like that. There is still some pretty powerful stuf in there. For me the same goes for Reason (I'm currently battling the propellerheads support system to get my serial back).
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Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket

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crimsonwarlock
KVRAF
2280 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:00 am

BONES wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:57 pm
even me!
To me that's some sort of benchmark :D
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Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket

AnX
KVRAF
5717 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:40 am

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:00 am
BONES wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:57 pm
even me!
To me that's some sort of benchmark :D

he'll be back, they always do :hihi:

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BONES
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9033 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:52 am

Not a chance. For all the things I love about Orion, there are just too many roadblocks to getting things done as the world moves on. e.g. The VST editor for Skulpt will be VST 3 only, because Steinberg won't license VST 2 any more so I'll never be able to use it in Orion. The other thing I'm noticing is how songs load about 3 to 5 times faster in Cubase than in Orion 64 bit. It is something that's been bugging me about having to use 64 bit on stage so Cubase is a better fit there, too.
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 17 (Core i7, 8GB RAM, Win10), UR44C, Cubase, DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Equator, Hive, Substance, Arcsyn, Aparillo, Straylight, Quanta, Trueno, Analog Keys, MicroMonsta, Uno, Skulpt, Craft 2.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
54507 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:09 am

#metoo!

as i started doing more with audio, it became too cumbersome to work with :(

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BONES
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9033 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:12 pm

I actually did a lot of stuff inside Orion for vocals on our new album, things I might previously have done in SoundForge or Audition. It's fiddly but doable. OTOH, Cubase will probably allow me to do 100% of everything without having to go outside at all.
NOVAkILL 4.0 : Dell G7 17 (Core i7, 8GB RAM, Win10), UR44C, Cubase, DUNE, Thorn, TRK-01, Equator, Hive, Substance, Arcsyn, Aparillo, Straylight, Quanta, Trueno, Analog Keys, MicroMonsta, Uno, Skulpt, Craft 2.

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vurt
addled muppet weed
54507 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:43 am

yeah its doable, when you have a few audio tracks maybe.
when you get to 10 plus, you just need something a little more fluid to work with or it gets tedious.

that said, for anyone not working with much audio, the midi and vst side is great :)
shame you cant have it now :hihi:

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crimsonwarlock
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2280 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:15 am

MusicMayor wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:32 pm
Looking forward to your write-up!
UPDATE: I did a pretty elaborate write-up. It's too much information to post here directly, so probably I'll link to the document in some way or another.Still have to add a few things but hoping to post it in the next few days 8)
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Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket

xbitz
KVRAF
2576 posts since 3 Oct, 2013 from Budapest

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Sun Jun 09, 2019 3:16 am

I'm quite happy with Cubase 10, MUX, and Build your own modular effect (BYOME) now Triad as a base for sketching also using SerumFX a lot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9njw1ujnss
navigation with Find in it is quite fast, can pop up all the instruments/fxes on a track, MIDI editing is superb especially with its chord track (it can display chord/non-chord, out of scale notes which is quite a big help during sketching or creating chord progressions, counterpointing, etc.), C10 finally able to save the mixer states which is also a big +1 during the initial project creating phase, track versioning also can help

it hasn't got AL like Instrument and Effect Racks solution this is where MUX goes into the picture can build one to yourself, and don't have Bitiwg like modular fx environment > as I see currently BYOME/Trident is a quite good replacement of it

if u need patterns can use Beat Designer or Step Designer in it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlJtLG9juNU
so yepp not bad at all

ps. and can listen back not just individual notes but chords too in it with pressed cmd/ctrl and note clicking (was a gamechanger to me ... I really like a similar feature of Fl studio https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54781 )
"Where we're workarounding, we don't NEED features." - powermat

MusicMayor
KVRer
24 posts since 7 Dec, 2007

Re: Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)

Post Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:36 am

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Sun Jun 09, 2019 12:15 am
MusicMayor wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:32 pm
Looking forward to your write-up!
UPDATE: I did a pretty elaborate write-up. It's too much information to post here directly, so probably I'll link to the document in some way or another.Still have to add a few things but hoping to post it in the next few days 8)
AWESOME! Thank you :)

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