Help picking a main DAW
- KVRAF
- 8182 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
The only criteria worth choosing a DAW for is workflow. Everything else is garnish.
For example. Logic X has the best stock plugins by absolute miles. Nothing even comes remotely close.
But, I don't like Logic, therefore I never use it.
It's all about workflow. You'll end up using and relying on mostly 3rd party plugins anyway.
For example. Logic X has the best stock plugins by absolute miles. Nothing even comes remotely close.
But, I don't like Logic, therefore I never use it.
It's all about workflow. You'll end up using and relying on mostly 3rd party plugins anyway.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Spot on!tehlord wrote:The only criteria worth choosing a DAW for is workflow. Everything else is garnish.
For example. Logic X has the best stock plugins by absolute miles. Nothing even comes remotely close.
But, I don't like Logic, therefore I never use it.
It's all about workflow. You'll end up using and relying on mostly 3rd party plugins anyway.
This entire forum is wading through predictions, opinions, barely formed thoughts, drama, and whining. If you don't enjoy that, why are you here? ShawnG
- KVRAF
- 25446 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
For some people... yeah... for others, dollar value is a huge factor. If you don't have the money to buy it, then that is a crap workflowtehlord wrote:The only criteria worth choosing a DAW for is workflow. Everything else is garnish.
For example. Logic X has the best stock plugins by absolute miles. Nothing even comes remotely close.
But, I don't like Logic, therefore I never use it.
It's all about workflow. You'll end up using and relying on mostly 3rd party plugins anyway.
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- KVRist
- 86 posts since 12 Sep, 2013 from South Wales, UK
Just use whatever you like best. Whatever gets you the best results quickly. All the talk about the future of one daw over another is moot in my opinion. Reason and Bitwig will be around for a while yet.
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- KVRist
- 394 posts since 8 Feb, 2011
Some in depth discussion of one man's use...
https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html
https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
I would choose Reason as a first step
Reason is like a great workstation. It has everything necessary out of the box. For Techno or Jazz. It has a very nice sampler with tons of usable piano, brass and strings sounds. It has more than one drums instrument and a great bunch of creative effects.
Europa and Grain are great synths and Thor is still a nice synth as well. I added to them (when they discounted), PX7, Antidote, Legend, Parsec 2 and FM4. By the way, there is a sale now https://shop.propellerheads.se/deals/ so you can get Antidote for $49 (I bought it for $59 and it is a timeless synth!). If that is not enough, you can have some VST instruments that covers what's missing for you (I might miss some Reaktor synths like Razor and Prism and acoustic drums like Addictive drums).
The second step, will be another host that supports ReWire IMO. I would go for Studio one Pro, Live Standard or Cubase Artist. If I didn't have already Cubase Pro, I would go with either Studio One or Live because I can insert Reason and integrate it with that host. Does Bitwig have ReWire? I think not.
I would go for Reaper for mixing/mastering if there are enough 3rd party tools to use. Reaper has the best CPU efficiency but Reason has the best stability if only using its own format RE or native. Anyway, I find Reason to be more than great for me as hobbyist in mixing. It has good enough tools (EQ, Compressing, maximising) and very good Reverb, delay and several distortion effects as well. I'm not missing something really, especially that the creativity inside Reason and the happy accidents lead me to enjoy the experience more than other DAWs
Reason is like a great workstation. It has everything necessary out of the box. For Techno or Jazz. It has a very nice sampler with tons of usable piano, brass and strings sounds. It has more than one drums instrument and a great bunch of creative effects.
Europa and Grain are great synths and Thor is still a nice synth as well. I added to them (when they discounted), PX7, Antidote, Legend, Parsec 2 and FM4. By the way, there is a sale now https://shop.propellerheads.se/deals/ so you can get Antidote for $49 (I bought it for $59 and it is a timeless synth!). If that is not enough, you can have some VST instruments that covers what's missing for you (I might miss some Reaktor synths like Razor and Prism and acoustic drums like Addictive drums).
The second step, will be another host that supports ReWire IMO. I would go for Studio one Pro, Live Standard or Cubase Artist. If I didn't have already Cubase Pro, I would go with either Studio One or Live because I can insert Reason and integrate it with that host. Does Bitwig have ReWire? I think not.
I would go for Reaper for mixing/mastering if there are enough 3rd party tools to use. Reaper has the best CPU efficiency but Reason has the best stability if only using its own format RE or native. Anyway, I find Reason to be more than great for me as hobbyist in mixing. It has good enough tools (EQ, Compressing, maximising) and very good Reverb, delay and several distortion effects as well. I'm not missing something really, especially that the creativity inside Reason and the happy accidents lead me to enjoy the experience more than other DAWs
- KVRAF
- 8182 posts since 22 Sep, 2008 from Windsor. UK
Dollar/Pound/Euro value can be solved with saving up, credit, buying used...whatever. There is a solution to that.pdxindy wrote:For some people... yeah... for others, dollar value is a huge factor. If you don't have the money to buy it, then that is a crap workflowtehlord wrote:The only criteria worth choosing a DAW for is workflow. Everything else is garnish.
For example. Logic X has the best stock plugins by absolute miles. Nothing even comes remotely close.
But, I don't like Logic, therefore I never use it.
It's all about workflow. You'll end up using and relying on mostly 3rd party plugins anyway.
There is absolutely no solution for a workflow you don't get on with.
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- KVRian
- 1234 posts since 8 May, 2018 from Sweden
Well I guess you could learn a new workflow and get comfortable with it over time. Of course, that's an unnecessary process if you find a DAW you get along with from the start.tehlord wrote:Dollar/Pound/Euro value can be solved with saving up, credit, buying used...whatever. There is a solution to that.pdxindy wrote:For some people... yeah... for others, dollar value is a huge factor. If you don't have the money to buy it, then that is a crap workflowtehlord wrote:The only criteria worth choosing a DAW for is workflow. Everything else is garnish.
For example. Logic X has the best stock plugins by absolute miles. Nothing even comes remotely close.
But, I don't like Logic, therefore I never use it.
It's all about workflow. You'll end up using and relying on mostly 3rd party plugins anyway.
There is absolutely no solution for a workflow you don't get on with.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
You could save up over time and get DAW you are comfortable with.AdvancedFollower wrote:Well I guess you could learn a new workflow and get comfortable with it over time.
This entire forum is wading through predictions, opinions, barely formed thoughts, drama, and whining. If you don't enjoy that, why are you here? ShawnG
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- Banned
- 29 posts since 31 Jul, 2018
Picking a DAW is a lot like choosing which automobile to buy and drive.
1st, stay within your budget.
2nd, consider what you need and what fits your life style.
3rd, how important are certain features and options?
4th, what are the customer reviews and has it won any awards?
5th, does it feel comfortable and would you enjoy driving it for the next 5 to 10 years?
6th, does it have high maintenance and daily driving costs to stay current and running?
7th, will next years model be affordable and have enough upgrades to consider trading in for?
8th, what is the resale value if you plan to sell it in the future?
9th, can it be resold and how is the re-buy market?
10th, test drive, test drive, test drive.
- KVRAF
- 25446 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
Spoken like someone from a wealthy country... lots of people around the world would be saving for yearstehlord wrote:Dollar/Pound/Euro value can be solved with saving up, credit, buying used...whatever. There is a solution to that.pdxindy wrote:For some people... yeah... for others, dollar value is a huge factor. If you don't have the money to buy it, then that is a crap workflowtehlord wrote:The only criteria worth choosing a DAW for is workflow. Everything else is garnish.
For example. Logic X has the best stock plugins by absolute miles. Nothing even comes remotely close.
But, I don't like Logic, therefore I never use it.
It's all about workflow. You'll end up using and relying on mostly 3rd party plugins anyway.
There is absolutely no solution for a workflow you don't get on with.
There is a solution... be more flexible. I could happily make music in any modern DAW these days... as long is it is not a crash-fest... I'm able to adjust to any of them. Yes, I have my preferences, but that is a luxury and not a necessity.
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
11th, don't ask the car salesman for consulting.marooned ufo wrote:
Picking a DAW is a lot like choosing which automobile to buy and drive.
1st, stay within your budget.
2nd, consider what you need and what fits your life style.
3rd, how important are certain features and options?
4th, what are the customer reviews and has it won any awards?
5th, does it feel comfortable and would you enjoy driving it for the next 5 to 10 years?
6th, does it have high maintenance and daily driving costs to stay current and running?
7th, will next years model be affordable and have enough upgrades to consider trading in for?
8th, what is the resale value if you plan to sell it in the future?
9th, can it be resold and how is the re-buy market?
10th, test drive, test drive, test drive.
- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Waaat?! Just looking at the Looks table made me cringe - Reaper got the best overall score because it has many (horrible) themes available, while Studio One got a perfect score in HIDPI even though it doesn't work (it's like Live 9: sharp GUI vs. tiny plugins or blurry GUI vs. correct sized plugins).NTO wrote:Some in depth discussion of one man's use...
https://www.admiralbumblebee.com/DAW-Chart.html
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- KVRAF
- 35189 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
Swiss Tony wrote:Choosing a new DAW is a lot like making love to a beautiful woman ...