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No, please do not start any rumours (check first, then post). The stretching algorithms are one of the big weaknesses of Studio One. The Elastique integration is very bad and has some of the worst phase smearing. Audio quantization is also by far the worst that a DAW has to offer. I gave up and put Studio One aside for years.
https://answers.presonus.com/7607/tape- ... stretchingTHE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:43 pmUnless you have made a request vie their Answers page and have people vote for it, it really won't make it onto their radar of priority, and even then.. the probability of what you are requesting, is akin to a stab in the dark because there are so many requests. Repeating your request in this thread every couple of pages would be futile and really ineffective besides doing nothing but unnecessarily cluttering this thread, when Presonus themselves may not even be monitoring it. Putting it on Answers will enable you to gauge the popularity of your request in a more meaningful way among others as well...so that would be a better course to take... Just be aware that it may take a year or two depending on what Presonus have planned before your request is fulfilled. Think of it like a line graph that Presonus follow... as release versions are released.
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Drumsound & Bassline Smith swear by it and they seem to be doing pretty well.tedannemann wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:44 pm No wonder, there are hardly any professional Studio One users (by professional I mean people who earn 10+ hours a day working on a DAW without creating Tutorials for entertainment).
True, but Andy is still using Cubase as well as Live. Headhunterz is doing also well on making a living with Studio One. Bjorn Akesson, Bass Modulators (still Logic as well) could also be mentioned. Well, for the fact that the software already exists for 10 years, I find the professional application (billboard, mastering, broadcasting, film music etc.) very poor...Kongru wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:50 pmDrumsound & Bassline Smith swear by it and they seem to be doing pretty well.tedannemann wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:44 pm No wonder, there are hardly any professional Studio One users (by professional I mean people who earn 10+ hours a day working on a DAW without creating Tutorials for entertainment).
These are 2 sadly very true points against S1 for me too...tedannemann wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:44 pm ...The stretching algorithms are one of the big weaknesses of Studio One. The Elastique integration is very bad and has some of the worst phase smearing.
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It's there for several years now and also has a pretty good ranking. ...
True, however the competition is way ahead in terms of stretching/shifting. Ableton Live has indeed several options for stretching rhythmical elements including the Beat Mode. FL Studio has a vast amount of algorithms including „Slice Stretch“. Logic Flex Time has several great sounding options including the „Slicing“ and also „Rhythmic“ algorithms. Pro Tools does offer several options including „Rhythmic“ as well as the Beat Detective. Bitwig currently has in my ears the best developed algorithms including the „Slice“ mode, which just sounds good. Cubase has a turntable mode at least (but also nothing useful for rhythmical elements). And in a few months Universal Audio’s Luna will offer the new developed „Razor Blade“ algorithm, which they advertise as a game changer (we’ll hear).Trancit wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 3:11 pmI ask myself anyway why the big boys still don´t have any slice algos for fitting drumloops to project tempo...
Ableton got it´s "Beat" mode, FL Studio got even 2 modes "slice map" and "slice stretch", Bitwig got it´s slice mode but all the big ones still rely on elastique algos for such a simple task... and often fail... this is neither CPU efficient nor does it sound good in most cases
If you want something close to a slice mode go to the audio bends tool-under action select slice or you can use split to grid. Just assign a macro for slicing with with what I just said done. You don't see the difference in the timestretching with 4.6? They made improvements in that area. I use loops sometimes, samples for remixes and can see the difference.apoclypse wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:51 pm I find S1's timestretch is really limited and they don't seem to care. No repitch mode, no slice mode, etc. They are using the same algorithms as everyone else but they can't seem to make it work properly or sound good and it's been that way since at least 2.x.
I'm hoping they address that in the next version.
Yes using audio bend and let it slice is the only workaround as far as native solutions are prefered...charmcitymusic wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:52 pmIf you want something close to a slice mode go to the audio bends tool-under action select slice or you can use split to grid. Just assign a macro for slicing with with what I just said done. You don't see the difference in the timestretching with 4.6? They made improvements in that area. I use loops sometimes, samples for remixes and can see the difference.apoclypse wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:51 pm I find S1's timestretch is really limited and they don't seem to care. No repitch mode, no slice mode, etc. They are using the same algorithms as everyone else but they can't seem to make it work properly or sound good and it's been that way since at least 2.x.
I'm hoping they address that in the next version.
Studio one got that as well and they implemented this quite neat workflow wise...Steve Bolivar wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:33 pmThat's really crazy. Even Tracktion Waveform has this implemented to auto slice a loop in their sampler and export the corresponding MIDI clip to a track. You'd think with the ATOM pad there would be a slice function.
The audio bend tool is based on the same Elastique engine, the transient detection is pretty inaccurate and bouncing audio bend edited audio files result in hefty errors. Anyway, can you tell me more about these improvements in 4.6. I don't know anything about them and would like to test out these improvements.Trancit wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:20 pmYes using audio bend and let it slice is the only workaround as far as native solutions are prefered...charmcitymusic wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:52 pmIf you want something close to a slice mode go to the audio bends tool-under action select slice or you can use split to grid. Just assign a macro for slicing with with what I just said done. You don't see the difference in the timestretching with 4.6? They made improvements in that area. I use loops sometimes, samples for remixes and can see the difference.apoclypse wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:51 pm I find S1's timestretch is really limited and they don't seem to care. No repitch mode, no slice mode, etc. They are using the same algorithms as everyone else but they can't seem to make it work properly or sound good and it's been that way since at least 2.x.
I'm hoping they address that in the next version.
Nevertheless goes this hand in hand with a lot manual work as the internal transient detection detects just bs here... I have to adjust nearly every bend marker manually...
So this is absolutely not done with just a macro...
I personally don´t see any improvements in terms of timestretch with 4.6... was anything about timestretching noted in the changelog???
I only use bend markers for slicing the audio without using any timestretch...tedannemann wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:27 pmThe audio bend tool is based on the same Elastique engine, the transient detection is pretty inaccurate and bouncing audio bend edited audio files result in hefty errors. Anyway, can you tell me more about these improvements in 4.6. I don't know anything about them and would like to test out these improvements.Trancit wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:20 pmYes using audio bend and let it slice is the only workaround as far as native solutions are prefered...charmcitymusic wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:52 pmIf you want something close to a slice mode go to the audio bends tool-under action select slice or you can use split to grid. Just assign a macro for slicing with with what I just said done. You don't see the difference in the timestretching with 4.6? They made improvements in that area. I use loops sometimes, samples for remixes and can see the difference.apoclypse wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:51 pm I find S1's timestretch is really limited and they don't seem to care. No repitch mode, no slice mode, etc. They are using the same algorithms as everyone else but they can't seem to make it work properly or sound good and it's been that way since at least 2.x.
I'm hoping they address that in the next version.
Nevertheless goes this hand in hand with a lot manual work as the internal transient detection detects just bs here... I have to adjust nearly every bend marker manually...
So this is absolutely not done with just a macro...
I personally don´t see any improvements in terms of timestretch with 4.6... was anything about timestretching noted in the changelog???
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