Clearmountain Domain

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JerGoertz
KVRAF
2527 posts since 20 Feb, 2004

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:24 pm

Yeah, kinda what I figured. Nice idea and execution, but way out of my budget anyways.
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evo2slo
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689 posts since 17 May, 2011 from Philadelphia

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:33 pm

It took a bit of effort to replicate the delay and verb sounds, but now that I have the fx all routed in Cubase it's pretty easy to mimic the presets. I honestly don't have much use for the presets other than curiosity and a learning tool, but I do enjoy experimenting with fx routing in this way.

To replicate the Clearmountain plugin I created 5 fx sends. Delay, Pitch Shift, Short Verb, Med Verb, and Long Verbs. The verbs are all convolution in the plug and I was able to easily copy them with an impulse spike (hope I don't get any bad karma for that, but I won't share them and will buy the plug when I win the lottery). For delay I found that Tritik tkdelay worked great. It's got saturation and a filter with resonance that can be in the feedback loop, dual left right feedbacks and a crossover. It's got a freq shifter but it's better to set up a separate freq shifter on a different send from the delay and just send the delay to it, not the source.

The key to getting the tritik delay to sound right was putting the TAL-DAC plug behind it to mimic a sample rate converter and lower the SR and bit depth. They are clearly modeling the digital/analog conversion in the Clearmountain plugin - gives it a nice gritty feel.

Put a time delay in front of the freq shifter as a sort of pre-delay. Put a desser and an eq on the delay and reverb sends. Send the source to the delay and whatever reverbs you're using, then send the delay to the freq shifter and the reverbs, then send the freq shifter to the reverbs. With this setup I've been able to pretty closely replicate all the presets, but most of them aren't very complicated.

Here's the real Avalon BV preset:
https://soundcloud.com/stochasticsound/ ... -avalon-bv

And here's my copy of it:
https://soundcloud.com/stochasticsound/ ... -avalon-bv

jens
KVRAF
19710 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Sat Oct 12, 2019 12:44 am

Reefius wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:34 am
Why would it need a lot of presets? At this price I don't think it's aimed at bedroom producers who use presets for everything.
:lol: :hihi:


This is certainly aimed at bedroom producers. In a world where you have people with no clue about computers at all shelling out big bucks for Apple because "it's much better", there's certainly room for a plugin like this with a price like this. Just don't jump to conclusions based on the price. Unless, of course, you're one of those this is aimed at. :hihi:

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MadDogE134
KVRist
288 posts since 26 Nov, 2007

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:06 am

ditto

kinda what i thought... aimed at folks with more dollars than sense lol quite the money grab imo and well done evo... pretty spot on :)

Neptune45
KVRer
8 posts since 7 May, 2019

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:50 am

JerGoertz wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:49 pm
I wonder, does this fundamentally do anything you couldn't replicate with your own homebrew plugin chain(s)? I mean, they were going on in the promotional stuff about how "difficult it was to replicate this using separate plugins", but why?
It doesn't fundamentally do anything you cannot do yourself if you have the skill set. Apart from the unique impulse responses he recorded himself for the convolution reverb part. You would have to use other IRs there. Not many presets either, thought there would be a lot more. Also it is Mac only until late November.

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Aloysius
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25085 posts since 11 Aug, 2008 from another dimension

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:00 am

:ud:
Hi-de-Hi!

rollasoc
KVRian
512 posts since 13 Jun, 2003 from Shrewsbury, UK

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:19 am

JerGoertz wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:49 pm
I wonder, does this fundamentally do anything you couldn't replicate with your own homebrew plugin chain(s)? I mean, they were going on in the promotional stuff about how "difficult it was to replicate this using separate plugins", but why?
Watch the interview with Mr Clearmountain and Warren Huart. He states there is nothing in there you couldn't do with individual effects. If you have a couple hours to set the thing up.
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JerGoertz
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Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:47 am

rollasoc wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:19 am
JerGoertz wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:49 pm
I wonder, does this fundamentally do anything you couldn't replicate with your own homebrew plugin chain(s)? I mean, they were going on in the promotional stuff about how "difficult it was to replicate this using separate plugins", but why?
Watch the interview with Mr Clearmountain and Warren Huart. He states there is nothing in there you couldn't do with individual effects. If you have a couple hours to set the thing up.
Sounds about right. Except the "couple hours" thing... If you're using hardward, maybe, but my plugins usually load in a few seconds max. :hihi:
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jochicago
KVRian
748 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:17 am

I think he said that he is not great with DAW effects, and so it can take him a couple of hours to get it all going in the DAW, where in hardware he can get there very easily.

I think it would be the opposite for me (as a non-hardware person), I wire something similar to what he is doing for every mix in a couple of minutes, and if I had to try to do it with hardware it would probably take me hours to figure out what preset out of an Eventide box, patched to what, and why is there so much freaking noise?

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djscorb
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714 posts since 3 May, 2007 from UK

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:25 pm

Some of these companies' pricing is laughable. For 10 bucks more than this, you could buy a Reaper license and the entire Valhalla DSP product line. :roll:
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cfanyc
KVRist
312 posts since 8 Dec, 2013

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:22 pm

evo2slo wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:33 pm
It took a bit of effort to replicate the delay and verb sounds, but now that I have the fx all routed in Cubase it's pretty easy to mimic the presets. I honestly don't have much use for the presets other than curiosity and a learning tool, but I do enjoy experimenting with fx routing in this way.

To replicate the Clearmountain plugin I created 5 fx sends. Delay, Pitch Shift, Short Verb, Med Verb, and Long Verbs. The verbs are all convolution in the plug and I was able to easily copy them with an impulse spike (hope I don't get any bad karma for that, but I won't share them and will buy the plug when I win the lottery). For delay I found that Tritik tkdelay worked great. It's got saturation and a filter with resonance that can be in the feedback loop, dual left right feedbacks and a crossover. It's got a freq shifter but it's better to set up a separate freq shifter on a different send from the delay and just send the delay to it, not the source.

The key to getting the tritik delay to sound right was putting the TAL-DAC plug behind it to mimic a sample rate converter and lower the SR and bit depth. They are clearly modeling the digital/analog conversion in the Clearmountain plugin - gives it a nice gritty feel.

Put a time delay in front of the freq shifter as a sort of pre-delay. Put a desser and an eq on the delay and reverb sends. Send the source to the delay and whatever reverbs you're using, then send the delay to the freq shifter and the reverbs, then send the freq shifter to the reverbs. With this setup I've been able to pretty closely replicate all the presets, but most of them aren't very complicated.

Here's the real Avalon BV preset:
https://soundcloud.com/stochasticsound/ ... -avalon-bv

And here's my copy of it:
https://soundcloud.com/stochasticsound/ ... -avalon-bv
Evo2slo: Fantastic job recreating the process and for sharing your findings!
I am on windows so no CD for me yet. I followed your description and got more
or less the same sound.

Also huge appreciation to mixing legend Bob Clearmountain for not only making his
knowhow and sound accessible to everyone via tha Apogee plugin,
but for also openeing up his space-creation "secret sauce" for anyone to see and study!

I look forward to getting his plugin when ported in windows and also any
additional plugins for other aspects of his mixing process should he decide to release more.

simon.a.billington
KVRAF
1764 posts since 12 Nov, 2014

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:40 am

rollasoc wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:47 am
W23 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:01 am
Right. I think some of the selling point for Domain though, is the reverb quality, and the De-esser that gets worked in to the effect (something I’ve never even thought to use in a time/pitch effects chain). I am really hoping to see an “introductory price” on it, but I think they are really aiming for the “professional” recordist who can write these things off as an expense.
I was hoping it was going to be a Waves plugin, so it would be $29 in a few months..
Haha!! You got a point. Actually, I’m kind of surprised this wasn’t a Waves thing. My guess is Clearmountain is exclusively an Apogee dude. Most likely because of his wife.

It doesn’t matter though. He looks like a guy with a lot to share and this is him sharing it. You can learn a lot by reverse engineering presets of successful engineers. Specifically if it’s a chain of effects. Clearly all these type of things can be substituted with something else, but by directing what they have done is like learning from the people themselves.

For most of us that’s the closest we’ll ever get.

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