KVR Audio

noou · Post by **noou** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:24 pm

I'm not sure that I get it: can Precedence really upmix a mono source like shown in these examples?
mono: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
upmixed: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
Is that even possible?

cthonophonic · Post by **cthonophonic** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:25 pm

I believe that the source here is actually two separate mono recordings, each processed through its own Precedence chain, in case that clears anything up. Precedence is a great panning/spatialization tool, but it doesn't separate out different instruments from a mono file.

noou · Post by **noou** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:29 pm

Ok, then I find many of those dry mono examples rather confusing, if not misguiding... I think it only makes sense to demo and compare mono recordings of single sources

cthonophonic · Post by **cthonophonic** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:46 pm

Yeah, it might be a good idea to have some examples comparing Precedence to plain old stereo panning.

TheSteven · Post by **TheSteven** » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:25 pm

I didn't have a problem with the demos, but I found that actually trying the plugin was the best way to evaluate how effective it is.

The plugin will run in trial mode for something like 15 days (? forget how long).

jens · Post by **jens** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:26 am

Just a single instance however...

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:33 am

noou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:24 pm I'm not sure that I get it: can Precedence really upmix a mono source like shown in these examples?
mono: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
upmixed: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
Is that even possible?

Yes, "Dual" here, means there was two guitars. There is one instance of Precedence on each. One is left, one is right. Two instances of Precedence, two instances of Breeze. It's not meant to be "misleading". Precedence is a tool that we hope/expect will replace track panners. We expect many instances to be run in parallel. So of course some of the demos try to show this.

If it is more than one instrument in a demo sound, the title will day "daul" or "mix" or similar... most of the demos are single instrument however.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:35 am

TheSteven wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:25 pm
The plugin will run in trial mode for something like 15 days (? forget how long).

80 hours of actual usage time, which is much more than two weeks unless your full time job is trying Precedence.

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:37 am

many more demos, videos, manual, etc after the next update. we are adding a bunch of things, as mentioned here:

https://2caudio.com/promo/2018holiday/

we're deep in the work on this stuff now and very excited about it, so i'm a little quiet in the forums while we get this next update done...

axb312 · Post by **axb312** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:49 pm

Andrew Souter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:37 am many more demos, videos, manual, etc after the next update. we are adding a bunch of things, as mentioned here:

https://2caudio.com/promo/2018holiday/

we're deep in the work on this stuff now and very excited about it, so i'm a little quiet in the forums while we get this next update done...

Hi Andrew ,

How about linking across tracks so that volume levels are also kept in check to ensure the depth perception?

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:05 pm

axb312 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:49 pm
Andrew Souter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:37 am many more demos, videos, manual, etc after the next update. we are adding a bunch of things, as mentioned here:

https://2caudio.com/promo/2018holiday/

we're deep in the work on this stuff now and very excited about it, so i'm a little quiet in the forums while we get this next update done...
Hi Andrew ,

How about linking across tracks so that volume levels are also kept in check to ensure the depth perception?

yes these sort of things are possible now and these are the sort of the topics we are looking into now.

FYI, Denis has also been working on completely proper retina display scaling.

noou · Post by **noou** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:31 pm

Andrew Souter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:33 am
noou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:24 pm I'm not sure that I get it: can Precedence really upmix a mono source like shown in these examples?
mono: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
upmixed: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
Is that even possible?
Yes, "Dual" here, means there was two guitars. There is one instance of Precedence on each. One is left, one is right. Two instances of Precedence, two instances of Breeze. It's not meant to be "misleading". Precedence is a tool that we hope/expect will replace track panners. We expect many instances to be run in parallel. So of course some of the demos try to show this.

If it is more than one instrument in a demo sound, the title will day "daul" or "mix" or similar... most of the demos are single instrument however.

Thanks Andrew, now everything's clear. Still, when there are multiple sources, I find misleading to compare a processed track to a dry one. I mean, the dry version in that case shows nothing of interest...

Andrew Souter · Post by **Andrew Souter** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 5:30 pm

noou wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:31 pm
Andrew Souter wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:33 am
noou wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:24 pm I'm not sure that I get it: can Precedence really upmix a mono source like shown in these examples?
mono: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
upmixed: https://soundcloud.com/2caudio/dualguit ... precedence
Is that even possible?
Yes, "Dual" here, means there was two guitars. There is one instance of Precedence on each. One is left, one is right. Two instances of Precedence, two instances of Breeze. It's not meant to be "misleading". Precedence is a tool that we hope/expect will replace track panners. We expect many instances to be run in parallel. So of course some of the demos try to show this.

If it is more than one instrument in a demo sound, the title will day "daul" or "mix" or similar... most of the demos are single instrument however.
Thanks Andrew, now everything's clear. Still, when there are multiple sources, I find misleading to compare a processed track to a dry one. I mean, the dry version in that case shows nothing of interest...

well I guess this is part of the point: the dry sound was not particularly interesting in an engineering sense. P, and/or P + B, made it interesting (from the engineering standpoint -- musically it's perfectly fine.).

The dry sound is both mono tracks, simply panned center. It is almost hard to hear it is actually two tracks. This sort of separation of instruments and "everything in its right place" as the marketing says, is kind of the exact point.

Anyway, it's always best to try on your own material and see if you like the product. That's really more valuable than listening to demo sounds.

We've made and are making some great additional enhancements to this over the past few weeks and expect an update in Jan with some very cool stuff. More audio demos, videos, full manual etc will be published at that point.

SmartCat · Post by **SmartCat** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:07 pm

If this thread was started by the developer of the plugin, where is the info about it? The first post should include all the details and information regarding the software but there is absolutely nothing to read about. Might be I am to old-fashioned, don't know...

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:11 pm

SmartCat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:07 pm If this thread was started by the developer of the plugin, where is the info about it? The first post should include all the details and information regarding the software but there is absolutely nothing to read about. Might be I am to old-fashioned, don't know...

You couldn't locate the link to the info in the first post?

2CAudio Precedence | 1.5 | Move Out Of Flatland. Take Precedence.