Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

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Autobot
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514 posts since 27 Mar, 2013

Post Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:47 am

Hi everyone, I'm need to start writing my bachelor thesis and already have a lot of literature and examples but maybe there is more. So do you have tips? The topic of my work is a historical, technological and culture depiction of sampling. Starting with Musique concrète, Music for tape, etc. Instruments like Taperecorder, The Special Purpose Tape Recorder (by Hugh Le Caine), Mellotron, MPC, Ableton Live. I try to examine and show the massive impact on how to make music with Tape, Digital Sampler, DAW as a medium to manipulate sound. Furthermore I shed light on the different approaches of sampling e.g. Field recordings, Sampling in HipHop, etc.

Any suggestions, questions, ideas are welcome
Tia
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Delta Sign
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434 posts since 22 Jun, 2018

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:00 am

Nice! This sounds very interesting and it sounds like you already put quite a bit of thought into it :tu:
I don't really have anything useful to add, I'm afraid.

Don't overlook the tracker scene, which is often overlooked when it comes to musical history, but I think it was quite important, especially when it comes to sampling.
The whole scene of sharing floppies with a few (very bad) samples and holding short competitions on who makes the best tracks with them etc. had a huge influence on electronic music, in my opinion. That scene is even still very, very active today.

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Autobot
KVRian
514 posts since 27 Mar, 2013

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:15 pm

Delta Sign wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:00 am
Nice! This sounds very interesting and it sounds like you already put quite a bit of thought into it :tu:
I don't really have anything useful to add, I'm afraid.

Don't overlook the tracker scene, which is often overlooked when it comes to musical history, but I think it was quite important, especially when it comes to sampling.
The whole scene of sharing floppies with a few (very bad) samples and holding short competitions on who makes the best tracks with them etc. had a huge influence on electronic music, in my opinion. That scene is even still very, very active today.
Thanks for that hint ... I almost forgot this while I did my research :dog: ... I will see if I can grasp it for my ideas ... BTW love your Zebra² post always very insightful ... I'm not as much experienced with Zebra² (my main synth) as I'm confident with audio manipulation :oops:
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Michael L
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2358 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from the End of the World as we Knowit

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:50 pm

Narrow your focus, or your 'thesis' will read like a superficial magazine article. For example, there is an entire documentary (Sample This, 2013) just on the people who used a single sample (the "Apache" break beat). Pick the one area of sampling you like the most and go deep.

DSmolken
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1366 posts since 20 Sep, 2013 from Poland

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:11 pm

I started typing something, then realized I have no clue about humanities degrees, so whatever I have to tell you probably won't be of any use. But I'll pose a possibly helpful question - is this for a music degree, or something like anthropology? That will probably make a pretty big difference when it comes to expectations, areas of focus etc.

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Autobot
KVRian
514 posts since 27 Mar, 2013

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:33 am

Michael L wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:50 pm
Narrow your focus, or your 'thesis' will read like a superficial magazine article. For example, there is an entire documentary (Sample This, 2013) just on the people who used a single sample (the "Apache" break beat). Pick the one area of sampling you like the most and go deep.
Yeah absolutely right I already try to cook it down ...
DSmolken wrote:
Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:11 pm
I started typing something, then realized I have no clue about humanities degrees, so whatever I have to tell you probably won't be of any use. But I'll pose a possibly helpful question - is this for a music degree, or something like anthropology? That will probably make a pretty big difference when it comes to expectations, areas of focus etc.
I study ,History of science (knowledge) and technology' so I can do almost anything :hihi: my topic only has to have a historical view and a sense of how technology influenced cultural practice.
I grew up on a junkyard, where I started to feed from hubcaps and bumpers

kingslim
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12 posts since 14 Mar, 2016

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:04 am

All of culture is copy/pasted... "there are only 7 stories" . In the beginning there were only stories. Music was math and religion and literature. Ratio born of the feeling evoked by each note, as fraction of the original, personified as character, relayed as truth ad infinitum (from at least 4000BC~ according to some interpretations of Sumerian cuneiform). The etymology of the word "cliche" can be traced to early printers in France, technology has been mass producing stereotypes since at least then (19th century), it just evolved and dispersed to everyone, rather than a select few, as barriers to entry evaporated and mass education kicked in and global digital communication networks manifested. It seems to me that starting at music concrete is somewhat arbitrary (therefore I disagree about limiting the scope to one sample, though I always went too far as undergrad lol and grades suffered for it, so probably don't listen to me). Ramble, ramble... good luck with it :)

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jancivil
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15335 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:45 pm

Music was aways culture; 'music was math' is a misconstruction probably of Pythagoras, who is probably mythical anyway.

Western European Culture is simply not Indian Classical Music culture at_all. Western European classical or concert musical culture derives technically from Holy Roman Church practice and 'theory', which in turn is a particular interpretation of Greek music 'theory'. Arabic music 'theory' derives from the same ancient origin; they did something quite different with it and it isn't equal temperament (until people got reductive and went for '24tET'). It isn't harmonic music at all because of the intonation practice. If you bought 'Arabic strings' sample library it should reflect this, to have any point to it.

Indian Classical Music doesn't use harmony at all either. So there is certainly overlap when we have a 12-tone basis (albeit when there are more than 12, the seemingly de facto 12 does not reduce to the same thing. The Harmonium does, however.).

"Copy/paste" is seriously reductive. So, proof of concept now: which 7? How does all the difference in musical culture blur into this reduction? Through the strength of that verbiage? When does jazz, just because it uses 12tET and tertial harmony, fade into this status as copy of Western European classical (or however it's supposed to disappear here), and how does that work? Does it also copy/paste African music because 'blues'? Is blues a copy/paste of African something something? Things are dynamic and even in flux. Changes occur. Over time and in a culture, one supposes.

Winstontaneous
KVRian
1382 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:03 pm

Be sure to check out DJ Spooky's books to make sure you're not covering territory that's already been explored.

nathanj
KVRist
124 posts since 23 Mar, 2013

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:20 pm

Are you familiar with the work of Jonathan Sterne? If not,you should def. check him out. Check out the article “Media or Instruments? Yes.” Offscreen 11:8-9 (Aug/Sept 2007).

Found on this page: https://sterneworks.org/text/ - unfortunately the link on this page doesn't work so you'll need to find the article through your school library account.

Like Michael L said, your topic is way too broad. Choose one point of history you find interesting, contextualise it and explain its significance today. It's good to study the practice of how technology influenced culture but remember that technology doesn't just appear out of nowhere, it is a direct result of the culture that produced it. It's the synergy of technology and culture(s) that's interesting.

kingslim
KVRer
12 posts since 14 Mar, 2016

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:55 am

7 stories was a quote, hence the "" : http://lmgtfy.com/?q=there+are+only+7+stories

Pythagoras clearly comes after 4000BC Sumerian cuneiform :/ but yes, "his" school reiterated the 'truths' of the harmonic observations and extrapolated ratios. I am aware that all of "his students" work has been erroneously credited to "him", is that your point? It doesn't discredit mine at all.

Copy/paste doesn't imply in entirety, or without modulation. Over time more and more dimensions of entropy emerge, as with life. Yes, this is ignoring Eastern philosophy because I'm largely ignorant of it.

You disagree with my assertions, that's nice. Shrug

edit.. though you have a point about rhythm. You are right, "harmonic theory" rather than "music", would've been a more correct way to approach the original statement, as there are more dimensions in the beginning than was alluded to with my broad stroke. Though, are we seriously going to write this guys paper for him? Or just throw some ideas in the pot? :P Thanks for the correction.

edit 2: imo, the Pythagorean school basically achieved a separating of the subjects into constituent parts, math from the story of the nature of the harmony (which was the literature of truth, or the seed of religion), basically was my point. So, I understand why you brought 'him' up.
I wish I understood Eastern classical but as you can tell from my reductionist observations, I don't... Though I believe Jazz/blues logically follows (at least I can produce it lol).

edit 3: This was all a response to jancivil (in case it wasn't clear).. I tried a pm to 1. apologise if my tone appeared defensive/combative (was surprised at the nature of the challenge) and 2. request suggestions about where I could learn about "non-harmonic" theory to expand on my foundation (Indian classical, series of moments, half tone scales etc) I attempted PM so as not to derail this thread but apparently they're turned off, or an error occurred. So, I guess I'll do it here. Thanks.

:)

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Tj Shredder
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1256 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space

Re: Bachelor thesis about the cultural practice of audio sampling

Post Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:26 am

nathanj wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:20 pm
Are you familiar with the work of Jonathan Sterne? If not,you should def. check him out. Check out the articgle “Media or Instruments? Yes.” Offscreen 11:8-9 (Aug/Sept 2007).

Found on this page: https://sterneworks.org/text/ - unfortunately the link on this page doesn't work so you'll need to find the article through your school library account.
Here is a working link:
https://offscreen.com/pdf/sterne_instruments.pdf

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