We won’t be listening to music in a decade according to Vinod Khosla

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Forgotten wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:05 pm You would never get AI producing classics like 'One Pound Fish' though... :hihi:
well no, of course not.
the original "folk" version beats the updated dance version for me personally.
why they felt the need to mess with such a classic piece of song writing, i do not understand :?

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ghettosynth wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:05 pm For fun, play this video loud enough so that your alexa can respond, trust me, you'll be glad you did!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxAUDAB0vac
i don't have an alexa.
im waiting for the models in the video i posted to come down in price.
cant get turned on with those inanimate "box" type things, dunno how people get off on that :shrug:

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vurt wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:18 pm
Forgotten wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:05 pm You would never get AI producing classics like 'One Pound Fish' though... :hihi:
well no, of course not.
the original "folk" version beats the updated dance version for me personally.
why they felt the need to mess with such a classic piece of song writing, i do not understand :?
Indeed. Just shows you what happens when you let machines try their hand at superior art forms.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPCVoCDyGTk

here comes the ice pick thru the forehead

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foosnark wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:21 pm
jancivil wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:32 am I very much doubt AI will have *any* significant impact on music creation before the human species completes its suicide.
Neural networks can be surprisingly good at puking out imitations of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNNmBtNcccE

I expect it will get better, and that there will be genres of AI-generated music that, due to the weird ways it crosses boundaries humans might not have, it'll have some niche popularity.

It'll probably better than a lot of pop written by corporate committee according to fairly predictable formulas already...
the goalpost was significant

there already is 'neural networks' wired up to be doing technical death metal

technical death

and from what I understand you don't want that to be lifelike at all, most preferably quantized to death in a MIDI
semiotics
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... or put in a shredding machine. Get it?
Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

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jancivil wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:23 pm
foosnark wrote: Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:21 pm
jancivil wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:32 am I very much doubt AI will have *any* significant impact on music creation before the human species completes its suicide.
Neural networks can be surprisingly good at puking out imitations of music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNNmBtNcccE

I expect it will get better, and that there will be genres of AI-generated music that, due to the weird ways it crosses boundaries humans might not have, it'll have some niche popularity.

It'll probably better than a lot of pop written by corporate committee according to fairly predictable formulas already...
the goalpost was significant

there already is 'neural networks' wired up to be doing technical death metal

technical death

and from what I understand you don't want that to be lifelike at all, most preferably quantized to death in a MIDI
semiotics
just for balance, some actual death, the genre, not the band, although they would of course be acceptable...
https://youtu.be/LLpgfxCfz8k


tech death was the bastardisation of the beauty of true death :hihi:

:band:

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Aloysius wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:26 pm ... or put in a shredding machine. Get it?
that would be norwegian death metal, usually another fan.

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I'm pretty sure I won't be listening to Vinod Khosla.

(Sorry, didn't go through the whole thread - somebody's probably already done that gag haven't they?)

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it's true, many people do little more than run a routine they learned; and quite a lot of music from particularly the early classical period were just cranking it out, the same thing over and over in paint-by-numbers, all indistinguishable from the rest. I don't find this significant at all, nor do I find formulaic popular music of any significance

The thing is MELODY, and while you can set a code to crank out every known country hit chord-wise, or you make it into Max Martin the thing that sells is personality. I don't think any AI is going to produce an outstanding solo in jazz either. It would tend to be like hearing someone in high school jazz band who's kinda sorta absorbed Charlie Parker Donna and it's like a mechanical copy of the moves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krDxhnaKD7Q

check out Stravinsky doing the original at 1:21

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vurt wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:37 pm
jancivil wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:23 pm
technical death

and from what I understand you don't want that to be lifelike at all, most preferably quantized to death in a MIDI

semiotics
just for balance, some actual death, the genre, not the band, although they would of course be acceptable...
https://youtu.be/LLpgfxCfz8k
The technical name for that is Death Warmed Over

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i love me some death metal or doom :band:
my teenage years were spent moshing, stage diving and generally being very moody :hihi:
was always jealous of his hair :x (jon tardy from obituary, that vid there)
nice guy though, met him a couple of times after gigs.
always found the death metal and doom guys to be some of the nicest people you could hope to meet.

except deicide, they where actual pricks.

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vurt wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 9:01 pm i love me some death metal or doom :band:
my teenage years were spent moshing, stage diving and generally being very moody :hihi:
was always jealous of his hair :x (jon tardy from obituary, that vid there)
nice guy though, met him a couple of times after gigs.
always found the death metal and doom guys to be some of the nicest people you could hope to meet.

except deicide, they where actual pricks.
There's a chapter in, 'Cider with Roadies', by Stuart Maconie (about his time working as a writer on the NME) on a Napalm Death tour he covered. They were absolute tossers by all accounts. Top book by the way, very funny.

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jancivil wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:14 pm
The thing is MELODY, and while you can set a code to crank out every known country hit chord-wise........... the thing that sells is personality.

The machine's wife hasn't left it/truck hasn't broken down/hasn't had farmland repossessed/dog died etc etc. These AIs don't stand a chance.

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