We thought so too. But several host software makers didn't think so.
Uhbik 2.0 - Concepts & Roadmap
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28044 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
- KVRist
- 56 posts since 21 Oct, 2012 from Denmark
Well isn't that wonderful... Have a nice unique ID system to make everything nice and smooth. Have software developers ignore it so it basically can't be used anywhere...
I make music like I play Tekken; randomly push buttons and hope for something good to happen.
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28044 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
I think that's because of the limitations of a 4-digit ID and an online registration system in the first place. Not all plug-in developers could be arsed to register their IDs, and some solutions that let people save/export their creation as VST plug-in can't automagically access the registration system. Which also was a bit hit & miss to see which IDs were already taken. Hence there were collisions all the time, and thus more identifiers had to be used, including plug-in name.
Nowadays we use additional or more reliable identifiers (registered company codes, UUIDs).
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- KVRAF
- 6444 posts since 17 Dec, 2009
been demoing the new Alpha versions as I'm tempted to buy them.
Given they now sport a very flexible mod section, wouldn't sidechain input make sense? not only for compressor, but for using envelope follower for other fx with a sidechain source.
Also, runciter having 0.0 - 10.0 - for automating is a bit annoying. I assume it's for backward compatibility
Given they now sport a very flexible mod section, wouldn't sidechain input make sense? not only for compressor, but for using envelope follower for other fx with a sidechain source.
Also, runciter having 0.0 - 10.0 - for automating is a bit annoying. I assume it's for backward compatibility
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28044 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Yes, that's a feature we're likely going to add. We have that in Twangström already.
- KVRist
- 56 posts since 21 Oct, 2012 from Denmark
Alright. I only really know about it from the plugins XML file for Studio One, and having seen this unique ID mentioned in other cases. For instance how a VST2 and VST3 plugin can be recognized as the same due to the ID.Urs wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 2:08 pmI think that's because of the limitations of a 4-digit ID and an online registration system in the first place. Not all plug-in developers could be arsed to register their IDs, and some solutions that let people save/export their creation as VST plug-in can't automagically access the registration system. Which also was a bit hit & miss to see which IDs were already taken. Hence there were collisions all the time, and thus more identifiers had to be used, including plug-in name.
Nowadays we use additional or more reliable identifiers (registered company codes, UUIDs).
The XML file has a classID value for each plugin, which is a rather long numeric string (with a few dashes), but perhaps those are just made by PreSonus?
For Uhbik-Q it's {D39D5B69-D6AF-42FA-1234-567855635131}, and the first 4 values are shared between the Uhbiks.
I make music like I play Tekken; randomly push buttons and hope for something good to happen.
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- KVRist
- 127 posts since 15 Dec, 2014
Please please please!!! I use those 2 all the time and would love more algos
- KVRian
- 1403 posts since 30 Mar, 2014
Oh yes, please change the names! I would be so happy.flocked wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:22 am I would greatly suggest to change the plugin names. It's super confusing for me and always requires me to think a few seconds which plugin I want to use.
Also back then when I didn't exactly know what Uhbik is, the names confused me from a marketing point of view
And yes, I read about the problem with the plugin IDs, but I think the incompability to version Uhbik 1 is worth the name change.
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also +1 for the possible rack. Something with the concept of Unfiltered Audio BYOME, but with the uhbik plugins would be great
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- KVRist
- 87 posts since 22 May, 2004 from UK
I really did not need any more Chorus, Delay etc plugins but grabbed the Unbiks at the last moment with my 30% voucher, mainly because I really enjoyed the modulation options, and the visualisation, owning a copy of Hive I just felt right at home, resizable GUI is much improved, and if NI ever release a proper FX version of KK, NKS option would be killer.
Wish list includes, VST3 sidechain inputs on as many devices as possible. Would be nice to see more Filter options on Runciter and yes, I’m another that hates the names. The Reverb has so many possibilities it would be nice to see a couple of new algorithms, Delay needs numeric input option, the 16th knobs are a bit fiddly for quick work and there is something about the tremolo pattern editor I really don’t like, its just a bit meh…
I bought them because I find your products thoughtful, interesting to work with, I love the modulation options and you listen to your customers. Keep up the good work, thanks for the fantastic products, you got my vote for Dev of the year.
Wish list includes, VST3 sidechain inputs on as many devices as possible. Would be nice to see more Filter options on Runciter and yes, I’m another that hates the names. The Reverb has so many possibilities it would be nice to see a couple of new algorithms, Delay needs numeric input option, the 16th knobs are a bit fiddly for quick work and there is something about the tremolo pattern editor I really don’t like, its just a bit meh…
I bought them because I find your products thoughtful, interesting to work with, I love the modulation options and you listen to your customers. Keep up the good work, thanks for the fantastic products, you got my vote for Dev of the year.
- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 28044 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
A new Alpha is up! We added an extra yummy reverb algorithm, among other things:
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dlarseninclusive dlarseninclusive https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=408358
- KVRist
- 285 posts since 19 Nov, 2017 from Los Angeles
Rather than make a new post.. (Which maybe I should) I want to level on this. John Lehmkuhl, (Pluginguru.com) released unify, a plugin rack, with remarkable flexibility.
I have been working up a Uhbik preset pack for years around the idea of a rack system for Uhbik so here it is. (we talked about it a couple of years ago on this forum) Viktor convinced me a few weeks ago developing on Uhbik 2 is impossible. Which from a configuration management point of view I agree with completely. I am developing on Uhbik 1.x
What do you think the current risk is to develop on Uhbik 2.x? Short of keeping the names the same? Thank you.
I have been working up a Uhbik preset pack for years around the idea of a rack system for Uhbik so here it is. (we talked about it a couple of years ago on this forum) Viktor convinced me a few weeks ago developing on Uhbik 2 is impossible. Which from a configuration management point of view I agree with completely. I am developing on Uhbik 1.x
What do you think the current risk is to develop on Uhbik 2.x? Short of keeping the names the same? Thank you.
- KVRAF
- 4119 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Why not develop on Uhbik 1.x for a few months, then refine on Uhbik 2.x when it arrives?dlarseninclusive wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:42 am I am developing on Uhbik 1.x
What do you think the current risk is to develop on Uhbik 2.x? Short of keeping the names the same? Thank you.
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dlarseninclusive dlarseninclusive https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=408358
- KVRist
- 285 posts since 19 Nov, 2017 from Los Angeles
Thank you sir, that is the right question, no reason at all and this makes sense. I just wanted to get the temptation to dabble off my mind. I agree completely, believed Viktor the first time, and will keep my eye on the ball. I hope it turns out good, this is a fun one.Howard wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:10 amWhy not develop on Uhbik 1.x for a few months, then refine on Uhbik 2.x when it arrives?dlarseninclusive wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:42 am I am developing on Uhbik 1.x
What do you think the current risk is to develop on Uhbik 2.x? Short of keeping the names the same? Thank you.
*Update* In a Karmic twist, the lesson here is patience. There is a feature not ready yet in Unify. So I wait.
- KVRian
- 630 posts since 12 May, 2004
If this has been asked already, apologies. Is there a preliminary manual for Uhbik C floating around somewhere?
On a number of Macs
- KVRAF
- 4119 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Weasel-Boy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:48 am If this has been asked already, apologies. Is there a preliminary manual for Uhbik C floating around somewhere?
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