Sidechaining: Calling the community for help!
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- KVRAF
- 14658 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Actually, nope... I'm just thinking "German", and I'm using C7.x
The other variant would be with crazy surround panning and all that nonsense. I'd rather not touch that topic - too complicated.
This trick works since SX3 btw.
Again:
The old trick in Cubase is as following:
- Create a QUAD group (group channel, quadrophonic setting, read: 4 channels)
- then open the "VST Connections" window, select the "Group Tap" (Group/FX), browse to the QUAD group you just created
- add "stereo subgroups" (add "child busses")
- close the window, load an instance of your sidechain compressor into the QUAD group
- send the "sidechain signal" from the channel of your choice (i.e. Kick) to the QUAD group's Input 3+4 (child)
- forward the signal to be processed (compressed), i.e. Pads, to the QUAD group's input 1+2
- now, the Plugin loaded in the QUAD Group should now recognize the first two inputs as "signal to be processes", while the second two channels is the "control signal" (the send signal).
Visually shown in these two videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHfN9yeuoew
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDY5LEkPCcE
Like I said... working since SX3. And basically the same that you posted, only that I create the "Quadro Group" in the arranger, not in VST Connections.
The other variant would be with crazy surround panning and all that nonsense. I'd rather not touch that topic - too complicated.
This trick works since SX3 btw.
Again:
The old trick in Cubase is as following:
- Create a QUAD group (group channel, quadrophonic setting, read: 4 channels)
- then open the "VST Connections" window, select the "Group Tap" (Group/FX), browse to the QUAD group you just created
- add "stereo subgroups" (add "child busses")
- close the window, load an instance of your sidechain compressor into the QUAD group
- send the "sidechain signal" from the channel of your choice (i.e. Kick) to the QUAD group's Input 3+4 (child)
- forward the signal to be processed (compressed), i.e. Pads, to the QUAD group's input 1+2
- now, the Plugin loaded in the QUAD Group should now recognize the first two inputs as "signal to be processes", while the second two channels is the "control signal" (the send signal).
Visually shown in these two videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHfN9yeuoew
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDY5LEkPCcE
Like I said... working since SX3. And basically the same that you posted, only that I create the "Quadro Group" in the arranger, not in VST Connections.
- KVRAF
- 23102 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Wow, that is really fcuking convoluted in Cubase. O.o;
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- KVRAF
- 3817 posts since 8 Mar, 2006
Here's a 6 step tutorial showing how to set up sidechain compression with Presswerk in FL Studio 11
updated: take a look at step 6, if anything other than Int:Ext is highlighted in red than you should update.
https://app.box.com/s/s6qm6woymod9r6iyclq4
updated: take a look at step 6, if anything other than Int:Ext is highlighted in red than you should update.
https://app.box.com/s/s6qm6woymod9r6iyclq4
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- KVRAF
- 3261 posts since 27 Mar, 2010 from UK
This is somethign that is frustrating in Cubase and only implemented with VST3 versions.
I am surprised there's never been a plugin vst2 to vst3 convertor to simply implement sidechain for effects instruments (aka Access Virus).
Cubase should have implemented this years ago, however sued to the set up and doesnt take long when needed.
Builkt into NI Maschines, and works so well.
I am surprised there's never been a plugin vst2 to vst3 convertor to simply implement sidechain for effects instruments (aka Access Virus).
Cubase should have implemented this years ago, however sued to the set up and doesnt take long when needed.
Builkt into NI Maschines, and works so well.
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- KVRAF
- 14658 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
This is pretty much the ONLY REASON to go VST3.
Granted, the "unload from RAM if no signal is applied" thing is a good thing (which is an own can of worms, if you have sudden bursts of signals - and then you rig goes down!). But NoteExpression v2 - who really uses that feature? Even after all these years?
Again, the fun fact is that all other companies do offer native sidechaining with VST2. Yet CubEndo insists on VST3.
Never dived into that to be honest, as I barely use side chaining (compression).
Granted, the "unload from RAM if no signal is applied" thing is a good thing (which is an own can of worms, if you have sudden bursts of signals - and then you rig goes down!). But NoteExpression v2 - who really uses that feature? Even after all these years?
Again, the fun fact is that all other companies do offer native sidechaining with VST2. Yet CubEndo insists on VST3.
In theory, you could create makros.EvilDragon wrote:Wow, that is really fcuking convoluted in Cubase. O.o;
Never dived into that to be honest, as I barely use side chaining (compression).
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 29 Feb, 2012
Hi there!
Here is the process in Digital Performer 8 :
- Add Presswerk on the track you want to sidechain
- In the Presswerk window, select a new mono/stereo bus inside the Side Chain menu
- Select the chosen bus in the Send menu inside the track you want to use as a Side Chain signal
- Adjust the compressor and SC parameters in Presswerk
I hope it helps!
Cheers to everyone and thanks for the good advices and readings in the forum!
Here is the process in Digital Performer 8 :
- Add Presswerk on the track you want to sidechain
- In the Presswerk window, select a new mono/stereo bus inside the Side Chain menu
- Select the chosen bus in the Send menu inside the track you want to use as a Side Chain signal
- Adjust the compressor and SC parameters in Presswerk
I hope it helps!
Cheers to everyone and thanks for the good advices and readings in the forum!
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- KVRAF
- 1906 posts since 15 Oct, 2008 from Germany
Studio One:
Step 1: Add Presswerk as an Insert effect on the target mixer channel Step 2: On the sidechain source-channel, add a Send by clicking on the plus-symbol. All possible side-chain
targets are listed under "Sidechains". Select the desired one. Done!
Step 1: Add Presswerk as an Insert effect on the target mixer channel Step 2: On the sidechain source-channel, add a Send by clicking on the plus-symbol. All possible side-chain
targets are listed under "Sidechains". Select the desired one. Done!
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- KVRist
- 56 posts since 21 Oct, 2012 from Denmark
In Studio One v2 in Windows.
- Click the plus icon in the "Sends" part of the mixer, on the channel you want to use for sidechaning.
- Navigate to the "Sidechains" fold-out which will show you all the available sidechain inputs.
- Select the Presswerk instance (or any other plug-in).
- Optional: Adjust send level (use Ctrl + left-click to set it to 0).
I make music like I play Tekken; randomly push buttons and hope for something good to happen.
- KVRAF
- 4014 posts since 29 Jun, 2011 from USA
Step 1 Insert Presswerk
Step 2 Enable Sidechain on Presswork
Step 3 route a send signal to the side-chain channel
Well you certainly have Studio One covered now, haha!
Step 2 Enable Sidechain on Presswork
Step 3 route a send signal to the side-chain channel
Well you certainly have Studio One covered now, haha!
Aiynzahev-sounds
Sound Designer - Soundsets for Pigments, Repro, Diva, Virus TI, Nord Lead 4, Serum, DUNE2, Spire, and others
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- KVRist
- 56 posts since 21 Oct, 2012 from Denmark
Hah, 3 in a row... Hattrick! =)
Also Aiynzahev, you don't have to enable sidechain in the plug-in, like you do in step 2. At least for me that happens automatically when your create the routing in step 3.
Also Aiynzahev, you don't have to enable sidechain in the plug-in, like you do in step 2. At least for me that happens automatically when your create the routing in step 3.
I make music like I play Tekken; randomly push buttons and hope for something good to happen.
- KVRAF
- 2912 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC
Ok, we now have Studio One! What is missing...
Reason...heh. I COULD do it with a Rewire tutorial. I use that feature all of the time!
Jon
Reason...heh. I COULD do it with a Rewire tutorial. I use that feature all of the time!
Jon
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- KVRAF
- 2912 posts since 13 Apr, 2008 from Charleston, SC
- KVRAF
- 4014 posts since 29 Jun, 2011 from USA
Ooh. Neat.TBAAV wrote:Hah, 3 in a row... Hattrick! =)
Also Aiynzahev, you don't have to enable sidechain in the plug-in, like you do in step 2. At least for me that happens automatically when your create the routing in step 3.
Aiynzahev-sounds
Sound Designer - Soundsets for Pigments, Repro, Diva, Virus TI, Nord Lead 4, Serum, DUNE2, Spire, and others
Sound Designer - Soundsets for Pigments, Repro, Diva, Virus TI, Nord Lead 4, Serum, DUNE2, Spire, and others
- KVRAF
- 13223 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
lolEvilDragon wrote:Wow, that is really fcuking convoluted in Cubase. O.o;
Finally!!!!! you see the cause of my angst.
Whereas in the format we wouldn't mention it is one click, one assign, and one send level.
rsp
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