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or sometimes the data corrupter takes first in chain :hihi:
now that, f**ks shit right up! :hyper:

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imrae wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:18 pm I've been eyeing up the TS9DX Turbo Tube Screamer for the bass-heavy alternate modes (and playing around with the equivalent mods in The Scream). Any recommendations for a comparable but more budget-friendly low-end booster?
My modded TS9DX is one of my favorite pedals but it was dull and lifeless sounding without the mod. The Biyang sounds similar to the unmodded version and has the bass boost mode.

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Forgotten wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:41 pm I think you can pretty much put fuzz anywhere in the chain and it sounds the same... :hihi:
Fuzz order matters a lot but I get your overall point. ;)

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Transient tamer (passive design limiter).
As mentioned in the Expert thread on amp sims.
https://www.guitarplayer.com/gear/tech-support-march
 
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imrae wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:18 pmAny recommendations for a comparable but more budget-friendly low-end booster?
How about a Joyo JF-36 Sweet Baby ?
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The Noodlist wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:54 pm How about a Joyo JF-36 Sweet Baby ?
It’s a bright pedal. It does sound good but I wouldn’t compare it to a TS9DX.

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Uncle E wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:45 pm
imrae wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:18 pm I've been eyeing up the TS9DX Turbo Tube Screamer for the bass-heavy alternate modes (and playing around with the equivalent mods in The Scream). Any recommendations for a comparable but more budget-friendly low-end booster?
My modded TS9DX is one of my favorite pedals but it was dull and lifeless sounding without the mod. The Biyang sounds similar to the unmodded version and has the bass boost mode.
Thanks, I hadn't looked at that range before. Is this the "mad driver" pedal?

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imrae wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2019 10:48 am Thanks, I hadn't looked at that range before. Is this the "mad driver" pedal?
Yes, that is the one. I think we have one that I can sell for $25. Do check out videos of it first, though, because I personally am not fond of its sound.

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The Noodlist wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:51 pm Transient tamer (passive design limiter).
As mentioned in the Expert thread on amp sims.
https://www.guitarplayer.com/gear/tech-support-march
 
This looks very cool. I made a similar design years ago that was Zener diodes and LED’s wired asymmetrically, which created more of a distortion effect than Craig Anderson’s design, and it worked really great. My idea was to put it into a 1 inch cable for people to put between the unused inputs and outputs of their audio interfaces, sort of like a hardware plugin. I mentioned this a few times on KVR but no one showed interest, so I never moved forward with it.

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Uncle E wrote: Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:43 pmI made a similar design years ago that was Zener diodes and LED’s wired asymmetrically, which created more of a distortion effect than Craig Anderson’s design, and it worked really great. My idea was to put it into a 1 inch cable for people to put between the unused inputs and outputs of their audio interfaces, sort of like a hardware plugin. I mentioned this a few times on KVR but no one showed interest, so I never moved forward with it.
Sounds interesting, having a variable control would make ideas like these more useable.
Visual feedback would also be nice.
Still cool.

Came across another pedal based on a Ross compressor, Caline CP-52. 9V-18V
A re-creation of the classic Ross compressor,
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a rebranded Ammoon AP-05 Dynamic Compressor AKA Joyo Different voltage printed on pedal and LED is in a different place.
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Elsewhere, it's claimed to be a MXR Dyna Comp clone.
Any info on this pedal would be welcomed, it's a bit scarce on the net.
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Forgotten wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:41 pm I think you can pretty much put fuzz anywhere in the chain and it sounds the same... :hihi:
While researching boosters, mainly the Mosky XP Booster, amongst others (Musiwewe Pink Boost) & (Caline CP-29 “White Heat” Mixing Boost). I found this video.
This guy says fuzz pedals don't like buffers.
https://youtu.be/NEHRld-GmX4
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Looking forward to trying out my new Zoom pedal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRKp5TmgLxw

You can buy the presets used in the demo for 15 bucks:

https://sellfy.com/p/N96H/

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The Noodlist wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:19 am
Forgotten wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:41 pm I think you can pretty much put fuzz anywhere in the chain and it sounds the same... :hihi:
While researching boosters, mainly the Mosky XP Booster, amongst others (Musiwewe Pink Boost) & (Caline CP-29 “White Heat” Mixing Boost). I found this video.
This guy says fuzz pedals don't like buffers.
https://youtu.be/NEHRld-GmX4
He did a decentish review of the Zoom pedal as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs_DyKbrnNU

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The Noodlist wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:19 am This guy says fuzz pedals don't like buffers.
That is correct. Using a buffer with a fuzz actually sounds great but it's very different from the Jimi/Stones/Pumpkins kinds of sounds that most people use fuzzes for. The MXR Classic 108 fuzz pedal has a buffer switch on it and it changes the sound more than a tone control.

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Just unboxed the MS-50-G.

Recorded some stuff.

It was the first preset - not even sure which it was. Just plugged it in. I have a PDF of the settings and there's pretty good documentation, but not too worried about that now. This thing sounds great. It gave a very nice auto volume swell to the sound.

Some people say the sound cuts out a bit on bypass and that's probably true but the setting I had it on (already a bit distorted on the amp) I didn't notice that much. This isn't a review, just an out-the-box experience kind of thing. It turns on when you plug it in (1/4" guitar jack) and turns off when you pull it out. It even comes with a couple of batteries to power up but no PSU!

The unit is Solid!

I'll be buying those presets I linked to earlier. Mainly for the Reverbs. I have the MS-70-CDR which is true stereo in/out and excels at 'verbs apparently, so that might be a nice little upgrade. I mailed the devs for the presets and they said they are not inter-changeable between units, but let's see.

There are two programs used for organising presets on the Zoom:

1:

ToneLib Zoom -

https://tonelib.net/
https://tonelib.net/downloads/


2:

g200kg Zoom MS utility -

https://g200kg.github.io/zoom-ms-utility/


I've got a few other resources as well. But I'll dig those out later if anyone is interested. Look on reddit for a pretty active user group.


This thing seems like a kind of 'Black Box' DSP computer/mixer. I'm going to go in from my guitar via the single 1/4" jack through the MS-50-G, then go out in stereo and in, into the stereo inputs of the MS-70-CDR, then out in stereo again.

Next step: upgrading the firmware. Then getting a decent PSU to power both units at the same time. They are supposed to be a little 'demanding' in the power demands. But nothing silly. So far those two free batteries are working well.

It doesn't have a looper built in, but the even cheaper Zoom G1on, does (30 secs) - https://www.thomann.de/gb/zoom_g1on.htm ... ImVuIn0%3D

It costs just £38!

It's been said it contains the same DSP effects as well (don't quote me on that).

It looks a bit 'plasticy' compared to the Solid MS-50-G floor pedal, so maybe that is why it is nearly half-price. Still, for a throw away dirt cheap looper with some amazing quality FX, I might even give it a go myself...

I recorded the Zoom unit through my Fender Mustang I amp and in to my Zoom H2n recorder:

https://soundcloud.com/codex_pert/zoom0018wav


The Zoom H2n is great quality, but I wouldn't want to drop it on the floor from any height. Unlike the Zoom MS-50-G. That thing is totally solid and I wouldn't have a problem gigging it. Just not practical from a preset changing perspective. But that's another matter. I'm glad I got two of these units. Probably won't need much more at all. Doubt anything comes close to packing this punch, at this price, in such a small footprint.

Like I said, I only heard of these things a few weeks ago. They get pretty good reviews, but a lot of people seem disappointed because:

A: They are difficult to use live because of the awkward preset switching (though you can set them up to 'advance' through presets if you choose).

B: They are a bit 'nerdy' and require a bit of work to set up the DSP and get the most out of the units. Probably not a problem for most people here who would relish messing about with them.

Oh, and sometimes, it's possible to 'blow' the DSP chip, i.e. overload it with too much FX, like putting 6 CPU hungry reverbs in a row. But still...

I picked the MS-50-G up for a bit over £70 and the MS-70-CDR for a little over £80. I wanted something small and compact to just sit beside my new Behringer synths and maybe as Aux's for my new Behringer mixer. People say they work better as 'inserts' as opposed to 'sends' and that kinda makes sense. That's how I'll probably use them 90 percent of the time anyway.

Looking forward to getting a proper PSU for these puppies.

An absolutely great find that I really wasn't expecting.

They have been out for nearly 10 years now as well IIRC.

There is a 3rd unit they do which does include a looper if memory serves, but it's more dedicated to Bass guitar duties, still, you can get that unit very very cheap now as well if you look around. Probably no reason why you couldn't use it on synths if it handles Bass duties.

Mmmm... might need to pick one up if there's any left...

This feels like kinda disruptive technology to me. The reverbs are almost, but not quite, on a par with the Strymon units costing 4 times as much. And of course you don't have the interoperability that you would have with a dedicated unit, but for someone on a budget or just messing about, they do a good 'impression'.

There's quite a few vids on youtube where people own the original hardware (Strymon) and they compare it. It sounds good to me. Plus you have a hundred different FX on top as well!

All this for the same price as you'd pay for a one-trick pony Boss pedal!

I was just pleased with how my guitar sounded straight away out the box plugging in to it. I'm sure it will be interesting with my synths as well. And putting the two together will probably yield some great results.

First impressions are good. Looking forward to messing about and setting up my own FX chains. Also looking forward to buying some of those great presets I heard, plus just downloading a lot of the free ones available on the reddit sub.

Winning!

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