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Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:36 pm

Hink, how can you disagree with my experience? Your experience is different, but it doesn't negate mine.

I've had fewer problems with Epis, ironically. My 'Inspired By Lennon' Casino plays like a dream, and can do tones from jazz to Revolution.

Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:43 pm

vurt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:20 pm
Forgotten wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:19 pm
vurt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:16 pm
The Noodlist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:10 pm
ourafilmes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 1:47 pm Guitars are a bit like ladies, I guess... You never know until you try them... But if you don´t try them, then you will never know...
Aesthetics aside, it's sound that counts, it is an instrument after all.
Nice analogy. Both available with g strings.
i hope the ladies are changing them more often than guitarists...
Buying a guitar is a bit like making love to a beautiful woman...
you hand over cash after nervous fumbling?

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:48 pm

I suppose it could be pot luck ordering guitars via mail order, compared to actually playing one in-store.

Technology has evolved rapidly over the last 40 years, especially the last 15 years, look at mobile phones, etc.
I believe quality and consistency has improved with the help of computers in manufacturing.
Most guitars consist of wood, metal and plastic, a poorly made guitar can be difficult, a suitably made guitar can be easier to setup and play.

On top of that, there's wood stability and components, such as tuners, nuts, bridges and pickups.

ourafilmes · Post by **ourafilmes** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:49 pm

LOL!

C´mon guys!
Each one of us is different and has different tastes!
Gibson did some disaster guitars lately!
Honestly, if it didn´t play well I would just return it. It´s great to have a Gibson but only if it plays good. Brands are not that important these days... You can find Epiphones that play wonderful and for just a fraction of the cost! And some small manufacturers have the best guitars.
Cheers!

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:54 pm

ourafilmes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:49 pm Each one of us is different and has different tastes!

True, Tokai Love Rock, the only single cut I need. I'm pretty frugal.
A guy auditioned for the last band I was in, he played a Gibson LP Studio with P90's, it sounded awesome.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:55 pm

Bombadil wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:36 pm Hink, how can you disagree with my experience? Your experience is different, but it doesn't negate mine.

I've had fewer problems with Epis, ironically. My 'Inspired By Lennon' Casino plays like a dream, and can do tones from jazz to Revolution.

I wasn't disagreeing with your experience, but as someone who is very outspoken about Gibson and someone else who doesn't care for them I was disagreeing that they aren't worth a damn imo. At this point though because of other business decisions made by Gibson the truth is I wont support them so even if they sold of Les Paul's cheap I would not buy one new

Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:59 pm

Bombadil wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:36 pm Hink, how can you disagree with my experience? Your experience is different, but it doesn't negate mine.

I've had fewer problems with Epis, ironically. My 'Inspired By Lennon' Casino plays like a dream, and can do tones from jazz to Revolution.

Epiphones can be surprisingly good. I have a DR-100, which is really good quality for a $150 guitar.

I do agree with Hink that Gibson hikes their prices way higher than they should be, but when you play a really good Gibson you know it. I used to own a ‘74 Les Paul Custom that is the best guitar I have ever owned, but I have also played Gibsons that are just so-so.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:00 pm

They're worth a damn if they don't have any issues, but still not worth the sticker price, imo. We agree on that fo' sho'.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:03 pm

ourafilmes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:49 pm LOL!

C´mon guys!
Each one of us is different and has different tastes!
Gibson did some disaster guitars lately!
Honestly, if it didn´t play well I would just return it. It´s great to have a Gibson but only if it plays good. Brands are not that important these days... You can find Epiphones that play wonderful and for just a fraction of the cost! And some small manufacturers have the best guitars.
Cheers!

I am happy for you that You got a good LP! Sadly, my experience is the exact opposite.

ourafilmes · Post by **ourafilmes** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:04 pm

I remind that I got mine new with hard case for about 710€ (retailed originally as 1600€) so it was a no brainer...
You could pay ± that for a top Epiphone easily.

Forgotten · Post by **Forgotten** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:05 pm

Hink wrote:as someone who is very outspoken about Gibson...

That’s an understatement - I recall one time after a comment about playing guitars around a camp fire you suggested that Les Pauls could be used to keep the fire burning...

The Noodlist · Post by **The Noodlist** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:06 pm

ourafilmes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:04 pm I remind that I got mine new with hard case for about 710€ (retailed originally as 1600€) so it was a no brainer...
You could pay ± that for a top Epiphone easily.

No-brainer, it could easily resell for an higher price.

Thanks for The DR-100 info, sounds nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKhuRKxLO4U
Harley Benton sounds OK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqWuxFvKJ8

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:10 pm

The Noodlist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 2:48 pm I suppose it could be pot luck ordering guitars via mail order, compared to actually playing one in-store.

Technology has evolved rapidly over the last 40 years, especially the last 15 years, look at mobile phones, etc.
I believe quality and consistency has improved with the help of computers in manufacturing.
Most guitars consist of wood, metal and plastic, a poorly made guitar can be difficult, a suitably made guitar can be easier to setup and play.

On top of that, there's wood stability and components, such as tuners, nuts, bridges and pickups.

I actually prefer buying online because in the EU, you have the right of withdrawal for 14 days (many bump that up to 30), whereas buying in a shop the policy usually is no refund. I can't get a good handle on the merits of a guitar in a noisy shop trying the guitar out for 15 minutes or so. I stopped buying at a local shop partly because of that. I ended up having to do exchanges I didn't want to do because of the no-refund policy.

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:12 pm

ourafilmes wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:04 pm I remind that I got mine new with hard case for about 710€ (retailed originally as 1600€) so it was a no brainer...
You could pay ± that for a top Epiphone easily.

You got a steal. But a guitar that won't stay in tune or have suitable action is not worth one Pfennig to me.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:16 pm

Forgotten wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:05 pm
Hink wrote:as someone who is very outspoken about Gibson...
That’s an understatement - I recall one time after a comment about playing guitars around a camp fire you suggested that Les Pauls could be used to keep the fire burning...

tbf, not much wood in all the hippy guitars, so they're not going to last long...

Gibson Les Paul Studio 2016 Mini Review