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Karbon L. Forms wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:23 pm
I like Riffer's very random approach. I decide if something's 'dark' or not.
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What scales are in there? I only see major/minor and the advice "should be in the key of the project you're working on". No! :x :lol: We're not all writing advertising jingles for chocolate and tampons here you know.
Did I took the wrong door here...??

It´s true, there is only maj/minor... but as an advanced user, who doesn´t write only jingles for tampons you are for sure familiar with diatonic transposer for some more scales and if you are supertalented and write jingles for bubble gum instead of tampons you can play a bit with the transposition map to make everything the wildest scale you like...

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Too bad this promising topic totally derailed ... :(
Anyway ...

Using/modulating the Transposition Map on a drum track can bring some cool chaos to drums.

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Sorry, don't know Bitwig well yet, but I've no doubt it's a very powerful mangler of pretty much anything. As for generating MIDI, if you’ve got either Reaktor and Kontakt, they are, perhaps surprisingly, the two most powerful MIDI generators I know of, and I've been collecting MIDI generating/mangling stuff for at least 2 decades. I use them both in Logic, via the MIDI FX slot, Reaktor on its own as it's got an AU MIDIFX version, and Kontakt inside BlueCat's patchwork which can host VSTs inside Logic. Reaktor offers some of the most powerful and deeply modulatable sequencer devices anywhere, mostly in the User Library (here's a demo video I made about my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwtFRv73CM but there's MANY others: https://goo.gl/cCp2ZH), and there's an endless variety of MIDI generating scripts in Kontakt libraries from the cheapest to the most expensive, one stellar example being this: http://waveforms.fairlyconfusing.net/20 ... field.html
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Yeah, Reaktor is great, but with Bitwig 2.x, exploring the midi devices and modulating them is also highly capable.

As for Reaktor (& Falcon): My Midi Mangler: https://www.screendream.de/code/toms-midi-mangler/
Very good for adding variation to an existing piece of Midi.

My current favourite Midi VST:
https://www.codefn42.com/transition/index.html

Otherwise also check out ToneCarvers tools (seems the images are gone from his site):
https://tonecarver.wordpress.com/mbiragen/

Cheers,

Tom
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Ah, yes, THANK you, Thomas for your Mangler, a big fan in both platforms, since at least it's available in those for Mac users, unlike the much lusted after Transition:(:(. And now, thank you NOT very much, these so-near, yet so-FARAWAY ToneCarvers:)

I'm very much looking forward to getting to know all the Bitwig super-powers, and will start by sending them some MIDI from my already known tools!

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played a bit with it and as I see the basic combo is still the DC Offset and the Replacer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhQBHT1pa_M
the signal modulator of the DC Offset can be modulated (for ex. its speed) nicely with other LFO(s) and an other note side-chain modulator, but there are unlimited possibilities here
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svervs wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 9:21 pm Too bad this promising topic totally derailed ... :(
Anyway ...

Using/modulating the Transposition Map on a drum track can bring some cool chaos to drums.
Nice one, I'll give this a go!
David wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:48 pm Sorry, don't know Bitwig well yet, but I've no doubt it's a very powerful mangler of pretty much anything. As for generating MIDI, if you’ve got either Reaktor and Kontakt, they are, perhaps surprisingly, the two most powerful MIDI generators I know of, and I've been collecting MIDI generating/mangling stuff for at least 2 decades. I use them both in Logic, via the MIDI FX slot, Reaktor on its own as it's got an AU MIDIFX version, and Kontakt inside BlueCat's patchwork which can host VSTs inside Logic. Reaktor offers some of the most powerful and deeply modulatable sequencer devices anywhere, mostly in the User Library (here's a demo video I made about my favorite: <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwtFRv73CM</span> but there's MANY others: <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://goo.gl/cCp2ZH</span>), and there's an endless variety of MIDI generating scripts in Kontakt libraries from the cheapest to the most expensive, one stellar example being this: <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">http://waveforms.fairlyconfusing.net/20 ... html</span>
I watched some of your videos mate, very interesting. :tu:
xbitz wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:20 am played a bit with it and as I see the basic combo is still the DC Offset and the Replacer
<span class="skimlinks-unlinked">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhQBHT1pa_M</span>
the signal modulator of the DC Offset can be modulated (for ex. its speed) nicely with other LFO(s) and an other note side-chain modulator, but there are unlimited possibilities here
I had a loot at this and it's interesting. I still haven't come up with a viable use for myself but I will have to explore these two devices in more detail so see exactly what's happening. Have you any further elaboration?

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Trancit wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:57 pm Far more useful than Riffer (which does nonsense most of the time) is Melody Sauce, which is now available as VST:

https://evabeat.com/
MelodySauce seems interesting but...

CHORDS Coming Soon!
We currently have a CHORD GENERATOR under development. Like MelodySauce, this will be MIDI VST plugin designed to work within your DAW that will allow users to control advanced algorithms to generate a vast spectrum of chord sequences.

their CHORD GENERATOR is even more interesting. It seems that MelodySauce only produces single notes. Best to wait? The intro price for MelodySauce is around $38.

I wonder if MelodySauce is multi touch capable.

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Worth a mention here too:
The mother of all Midi Manglers is now in Beta - Loomer "Architect" (formerly known from an endless thread on KVR as "Epoch" (or "!Epoch", after another plugin with that name came out...)):
https://www.loomer.co.uk/architect.htm

A fully modular environment for all things Midi, does also sequencing and has a kind of clip launcher for patterns, you can build your own GUI and it can even host VSTs (also available as standalone).

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KVR beta thread:
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=517474

KVR thread with user created tools:
viewtopic.php?f=141&t=517777

It's still early days, there is limited documentation and not many examples yet, but Colin already promised to work on those next.

I already ported my Midi Mangler to it too:
https://www.screendream.de/code/toms-midi-mangler

Cheers,

Tom
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Has anyone tried the midi in Usine Hollyhock.
http://www.sensomusic.org/manual/en/modules/midi
Do a search for midi to see the midi stuff.
http://www.sensomusic.org/addons.php
http://www.sensomusic.org/forums/viewforum.php?id=13

I am thinking of using HH3 as a midi controller.
Hey, it's multi-touch friendly! :tu:

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ThomasHelzle wrote: Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:04 pm Worth a mention here too:
The mother of all Midi Manglers is now in Beta - Loomer "Architect" (formerly known from an endless thread on KVR as "Epoch" (or "!Epoch", after another plugin with that name came out...)):
https://www.loomer.co.uk/architect.htm
Watching this closely, with high hopes, though so far it seems more like the "infant" of all MIDI mangers:)

The current "Mother of Manglers", in my experience anyway (just started using it since after my earlier posts, which is why I didn't mention it before), would have to be Rapid Composer, which offers a longer list of mangling options and a deeper integration of theory smarts, plus vast capabilities for surgical mangling beyond mere randomization than I've ever seen elsewhere. From the site's Features page:

"Included rhythm generators: Schillinger's Interference, Polyrhythm, Subdivision, Generic Rhythm, Probabilistic Rhythm, Euclidean Rhythm, Smooth Rhythm, Bass Rhythm, Simple Intervals, Toggle Intervals

Included phrase generators: Arpeggiator, Bass Generator, Chord Generator, Dyads Run, Generator, Fingerpicking Generator, Generic Generator, Phrase Container, Piano Run Generator, Strings Staccato Generator, Piano Chord Pattern Generator, Strum Pattern Generator, only in the full edition: Melody Generator, Random Melody Generator, Phrase Morpher

Included variations: Add Chord Notes, Add Interval, Adjust Note Lengths, Apply Rhythm, Audio Gain, Delay Notes, Double Note, Double Phrase, Expression, Extract Rhythm, Humanize, Join Notes, Limit Note Range, MIDI Echo, Make Monophonic, Mirror Horizontally, Mirror Vertically, Permute Chord Notes, Quantize, Remove Note, Remove Short Notes, Rests, Rotate Notes, Simplify Phrase, Spread Out Chord Notes, Staccato-Legato, Strumming, Swap Chord Notes, Swing, Transpose, Triple Phrase, Velocity, Velocity Generator

Melody generation (full edition only), melody auto-harmonization using 2 methods"

It's basically a DAW (as well as a VST) with a Chord-Track controlled timeline/piano-roll and Song-editing tools in which you manage MIDI phrases, not notes, that you can edit/mangle/create in all the above ways, most of which offer many controls and options. There's vast collections of already-made phrases, rhythms, scales, and progressions included and shared, you can of course drag in, import, and even record in your own, and per-note editing is also possible as needed…

I doubt that Architect is intended to, or will ever, out of the box, be particularly based on music theory in any similar way, unless some super genius decides to make it so in the promised User Library (which is what I'm mainly waiting to see). Right now it seems to be more about math, scripts, logic, code, etc. Which is totally cool and much needed of course! Why repeat what RapidComposer (and Synfire, BIAB, and some others) already do?

Rapid Composer is also, AFAIK, the cheapest of these algorithmic "composers", with a very active KVR forum where the dev is very engaged and provides frequent updates and betas.

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Whatever floats your boat - Rapid Composer never did anything for me personally. ;-)

Cheers,

Tom
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David wrote: Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:48 pm Sorry, don't know Bitwig well yet, but I've no doubt it's a very powerful mangler of pretty much anything. As for generating MIDI, if you’ve got either Reaktor and Kontakt, they are, perhaps surprisingly, the two most powerful MIDI generators I know of, and I've been collecting MIDI generating/mangling stuff for at least 2 decades. I use them both in Logic, via the MIDI FX slot, Reaktor on its own as it's got an AU MIDIFX version, and Kontakt inside BlueCat's patchwork which can host VSTs inside Logic. Reaktor offers some of the most powerful and deeply modulatable sequencer devices anywhere, mostly in the User Library (here's a demo video I made about my favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwtFRv73CM but there's MANY others: https://goo.gl/cCp2ZH), and there's an endless variety of MIDI generating scripts in Kontakt libraries from the cheapest to the most expensive, one stellar example being this: http://waveforms.fairlyconfusing.net/20 ... field.html
Why do I always forget Reaktor for midi? Thanks for the reminder.
As for Kontakt I am a very poor user, so I need to spend some time learning it.

With these two in hand and many other free and paid VST midi fx maybe Architect is not such a necessity. I do not write script but works primary on presets and then some tweaking. Best to wait and see what patches and capabilities for Architect Colin has come up with.

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