Acoustica Premium 7.1.1 - Play at mouse click position

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Paulo-Brazil
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85 posts since 1 Oct, 2017

Post Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:17 am

Mr. Stian,

I refer to Acoustica Premium 7.1.1, running on Windows 10 Professional 64-bit.

First, many thanks to Acon Digital for this new version 7.1 of Acoustica, with many improvements.

Often, when I start working on an audio file, I like to have a quick overview of its contents. One way of getting that would be to start playing the file, and then, while the file is playing, without stopping the playing, to mouse-click on the waveform window at some point of the file different from the one that is playing, so that the cursor would instantly go to that new point and the playing would proceed from that new point. In that way, a succession of mouse clicks at different points of the waveform (or the spectrogram) window would allow us to explore the file contents without having (many times) to stop the playing and then changing the cursor position.

Transcribe!, from Seventh String Software (www.seventhstring.com) is a music software that allow us to explore an audio file in that way, just by clicking on different points of the file, without stopping the playing at each time.

I would like to ask whether this feature could be implemented in Acoustica in the near future (if it already exists, I can't find it). In my view, this should be the default way of working for the playing mode. As an alternative, the menu that opens when we click on the small down arrow right beside the Play button on the toolbar could include an additional option "Play in explore mode", by which the position of the cursor would be controlled by mouse clicks on the waveform (or the spectrogram) window.

Regards,

Paulo

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stian
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837 posts since 1 Jan, 2005 from Norway

Re: Acoustica Premium 7.1.1 - Play at mouse click position

Post Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:55 am

Hi again! :)
Paulo-Brazil wrote:
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:17 am
Often, when I start working on an audio file, I like to have a quick overview of its contents. One way of getting that would be to start playing the file, and then, while the file is playing, without stopping the playing, to mouse-click on the waveform window at some point of the file different from the one that is playing, so that the cursor would instantly go to that new point and the playing would proceed from that new point. In that way, a succession of mouse clicks at different points of the waveform (or the spectrogram) window would allow us to explore the file contents without having (many times) to stop the playing and then changing the cursor position.

Transcribe!, from Seventh String Software (www.seventhstring.com) is a music software that allow us to explore an audio file in that way, just by clicking on different points of the file, without stopping the playing at each time.

I would like to ask whether this feature could be implemented in Acoustica in the near future (if it already exists, I can't find it). In my view, this should be the default way of working for the playing mode. As an alternative, the menu that opens when we click on the small down arrow right beside the Play button on the toolbar could include an additional option "Play in explore mode", by which the position of the cursor would be controlled by mouse clicks on the waveform (or the spectrogram) window.
Thanks for this suggestion! You can actually already do this in Acoustica if you click the play head (the upper part where it is broader and covers the time line) and keep the mouse button down while moving the playhead around. You can also change the playback position during playback with a single click on the time line.

Best,
Stian

Paulo-Brazil
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85 posts since 1 Oct, 2017

Re: Acoustica Premium 7.1.1 - Play at mouse click position

Post Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:20 am

Mr. Stian,

Thank you. I hadn't noticed that by clicking on the play head (the waveform overview) we can instantly change the point of playing of the audio file.

So, a question: is there any definite reason why this behaviour, changing the playing point with one mouse click, cannot be implemented also on the main waveform window (maybe also on the spectrogram window)? Why do the mouse clicks have to be inoperative on the main waveform window?

Regards,

Paulo

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stian
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837 posts since 1 Jan, 2005 from Norway

Re: Acoustica Premium 7.1.1 - Play at mouse click position

Post Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:43 am

Hi Paulo,
Paulo-Brazil wrote:
Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:20 am
Mr. Stian,

Thank you. I hadn't noticed that by clicking on the play head (the waveform overview) we can instantly change the point of playing of the audio file.

So, a question: is there any definite reason why this behaviour, changing the playing point with one mouse click, cannot be implemented also on the main waveform window (maybe also on the spectrogram window)? Why do the mouse clicks have to be inoperative on the main waveform window?
The reason is that many users want to modify the selection during playback, e.g. to test loop cue points.

Best,
Stian

Paulo-Brazil
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85 posts since 1 Oct, 2017

Re: Acoustica Premium 7.1.1 - Play at mouse click position

Post Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:05 am

Thank you, Mr. Stian.

Paulo

Paulo-Brazil
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85 posts since 1 Oct, 2017

Re: Acoustica Premium 7.1.1 - Play at mouse click position

Post Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:06 am

Mr. Stian,

Some further thoughts about this matter. In Acoustica, to go to a particular point in the audio file by clicking on the small waveform overview window is not so easy. First, to have a clear view of the waveform is not easy, since the height of that window is very small.

But this is the main difficulty: the width of the overview window does not match the width of the main waveform window. The small overview window is wider than the main window. Consequently, the cursors in these windows are generally not on the same vertical line. I took a look at the editors Transcribe! and iZotope RX6: in both of them the two windows have the same width, so that the cursors are always vertically aligned. I don't have Steinberg's WaveLab installed on my computer, but, on their website, a screenshot of WaveLab seems to indicate that both windows have the same width in that editor.

So, a question: is there any special reason why, in Acoustica, the small overview window and the main waveform window (and also the spectrogram) have different widths, so that their cursors are not vertically aligned?

Couldn't the small overview window be made to agree in width with the main window (and also with the spectrogram window)? Right above the overview window we have the row of tabs indicating each opened audio file. The row of tabs, I think, should be as wide as possible, so that more information on the opened files can be displayed. But, below each tab, maybe the small overview window should match the main windows (both the waveform and the spectrogram) in width, so that their cursors are always aligned.

I would like to have, if possible, some clarification about your statement: "The reason is that many users want to modify the selection during playback, e.g. to test loop cue points."

Concerning that statement: in Transcribe!, after defining a selected region and then starting the playing of the file, while the audio is playing we can easily modify the selection: at any of the borders of the selected region, the mouse changes to a double arrow, which is used to drag that border sideways, so changing the region's width. And when the mouse is on some internal point of the selected region, it changes to a "drag" form, by means of which the entire selection can be moved to one side or another but maintaining the same width. A mouse click inside the selection does nothing, while a mouse click on a point outside the selection instantly changes the cursor position to that point, disabling the selection, and the audio playing then goes on from that new point, without any interruption. Possibly, some or all of these properties could be considered for implementation in Acoustica.

Regards,

Paulo

Paulo-Brazil
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Re: Acoustica Premium 7.1.1 - Play at mouse click position

Post Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:57 am

Mr. Stian,

One more comment about this matter. Even if the small overview window had the same width as the main window (either the waveform one or the spectrogram), in a zoomed-in state there would still exist a disalignment between the two cursors, since only the main window would be in the zoomed-in state, while the small overview window will always show the whole file. This is one more reason why, in my view, consideration should be given to changing the main cursor position by clicking on the main window - in a zoomed-in state, the lack of alignment between the two cursors would make it difficult to go to a particular point of the main window, if the clicking is only allowed on the small overview window.

A further point of difficulty when trying to click on a specific point of the small overview window: this is the shape of the mouse-hand used in that window. The second, third and fourth fingers of that hand have nearly the same length, so it is difficult to know to what point of the file the hand is actually pointing. In the editor Audacity, the mouse-hand has only the second finger extended; the third, fourth and fifth fingers are folded, and so much shorter than the second finger; in that way, it is always clear which point of the file the hand (in fact, the second finger) is pointing to. The current shape of the Acoustica mouse-hand presents no difficulty when one wishes to drag sideways a zoomed region indicated on the overview window. But when it comes to clicking on that window, that shape is not adequate, I think.

Regards,

Paulo

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