New amateur plugin sub forum
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Distorted Horizon Distorted Horizon https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=392076
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- 3882 posts since 17 Jan, 2017 from Planet of cats
That "amateur" thingy might be a bit..
Maybe something like "freeware publisher subforum" or something... Anyways IMO it's not your mission to make such a thing, even though I understand your point. If kvr mod (ben?) sees it important, he could make a freeware section to main forum categories, that could handle all that kinds of stuff.
Maybe something like "freeware publisher subforum" or something... Anyways IMO it's not your mission to make such a thing, even though I understand your point. If kvr mod (ben?) sees it important, he could make a freeware section to main forum categories, that could handle all that kinds of stuff.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33156 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
If you think something is spam, report it to the moderators. If they disagree, get ready to adjust your definition accordingly.Aliens wrote:The topic is about wannabe devs like yobare periodically spamming the main instrument forum.
Nope. You dont get to decide who has a say in a thread any more than you have a say in what level of developer is welcome at KVR.So you don't agree. Great. Leave your minus 1 and sod off.
If you have an issue with yobare, (and you clearly do for some reason, you've targeted him frequently enough), then add him to your foe list and ignore his posts.
Meanwhile Ben and KVR have embraced amateur developers since day 1, as the Developers Contest clearly underlines. Its up to you to deal with that or rally, you're the one who should 'sod off.'
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33156 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
The fact that he hasnt done so over 15-plus years would be an indicator that he doesnt consider it important. And the fact that the the Developer's Contest exist is a very obvious indication that the reverse is actually what's true; that KVR supports freeware and amateur developers, encourages them to produce more work, and refuses to ghettoise them as being of less worth.Distorted Horizon wrote:If kvr mod (ben?) sees it important, he could make a freeware section to main forum categories, that could handle all that kinds of stuff.
Basically the OP is demanding a 180 turn in the ethos of KVR.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1294 posts since 2 Oct, 2016 from Planet X-19
Targeted But okay, to fit your narrative. Twice. Once in a thread if I asked a question - Whether he coded anything this time. And the second in the thread I propositioned the idea of a sub forum for amateur plugins.whyterabbyt wrote: If you have an issue with yobare, (and you clearly do for some reason, you've targeted him frequently enough)
That doesn't sound right. I've made no demand at all. Very disingenuous.whyterabbyt wrote: Basically the OP is demanding a 180 turn in the ethos of KVR.
Bet you couldn't quoth that.
- Beware the Quoth
- 33156 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Not up to speed with what the word means?Aliens wrote:Targetedwhyterabbyt wrote: If you have an issue with yobare, (and you clearly do for some reason, you've targeted him frequently enough)
target
ˈtɑːɡɪt/
verb
past tense: targeted; past participle: targeted
select as an object of attention or attack.
"two men were targeted by the attackers"
synonyms: pick out, single out, select, choose, decide on, earmark, fix on; More
attack, aim at, fire at
"the two men were targeted by a gunman"
aim or direct (something).
Its enough to 'quoth' the dictionary definition. Twice in one reply, no less, makes me wonder who it is that's really being disingenuous, by seemingly being more concerned with quibbling over specific words rather than address the larger point I raised, specifically KVR's historic relationship with amateur developers?That doesn't sound right. I've made no demand at all. Very disingenuous.whyterabbyt wrote:Basically the OP is demanding a 180 turn in the ethos of KVR.
Bet you couldn't quoth that.
[dih-mand, -mahnd]
verb (used with object)
1.
to ask for with proper authority; claim as a right:
He demanded payment of the debt.
2.
to ask for peremptorily or urgently:
He demanded sanctuary. She demanded that we let her in.
3.
to call for or require as just, proper, or necessary:
This task demands patience. Justice demands objectivity.
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- KVRAF
- 2625 posts since 2 Jun, 2016
Aliens wrote:So we don't have the main instrument forum spammed in a week with 6 new plugins, then another 'finally released' effort, and a bad taste, almost copyright breaching Disco named synth.
We usually have no issue separating men from boys, so let's keep it simple.
Make a place for amateurs to go to push their efforts away from the serious developers.
This won't ever be a runner as a sub forum idea.
If however you wish to start a thread for 'amateur developers' to attract attention, why not create that?
As a final point, the word 'amateur' of course often carries a meaning of incompetence nowadays (a meaning often pushed by arrogant professionals, such as Sky TV Sports, with suspect intentions) but this is not the original meaning of the word.
Online Etymology defines the word as:
"one who cultivates and participates but does not pursue it professionally or with an eye to gain" (as opposed to a professional)
Didn't (nearly) all professional musicians, sports players etc start out as amateurs?
Here are some famous amateurs who you've undoubtedly heard of, and who were quite serious in their pursuits:
Gregor Mendel. Thomas Edison. Michael Faraday. Charles Darwin. Srinivasa Ramanujam. Mary Anning. Leonardo da Vinci (though it is a moot point as to how amateur/professional he later was).
All of them loved what they were doing, and did not do it for money. And they changed lives.
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- KVRian
- 685 posts since 17 Sep, 2007 from Planet Thanet
It might also be instructive to look at the DSP forums here and you'll see that some of your so-called amateurs know more about DSP and development than the soi disant "professionals."
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35159 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
-1Aliens wrote: So you don't agree. Great. Leave your minus 1 and sod off:
- KVRAF
- 2263 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit SW US
Aliens wrote:I knew if I waited long enough I'd get a fairly well reasoned, adult response.
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Hahaha, way to keep trolling. You've gotten plenty of well reasoned responses, they just don't reinforce your (lame) viewpoint.
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- KVRAF
- 2117 posts since 24 Feb, 2004 from Germany
I wonder what "important professional productions" the OP is working on, that he is so annoyed about having wasted his priceless time reading a post about an "amateur plugin" that would never fullfill his high demanding needs, so that he requests a "quality presorted" instruments forum so desperately ?
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- KVRAF
- 1530 posts since 17 Sep, 2002
Would you be okay with a "professional" forum full of really sub-par plugins as long as the devs are asking money for them instead of giving them away for free?
- KVRAF
- 1986 posts since 29 Apr, 2010 from NYC
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1294 posts since 2 Oct, 2016 from Planet X-19
Quite a lot of aggression being shown in the comments in this thread. Will you all be okay?
Maybe when you get your new proposed Andomeda plugin, and that new thread really does sort of prove my point for me, you'll all calm down a bit
Maybe when you get your new proposed Andomeda plugin, and that new thread really does sort of prove my point for me, you'll all calm down a bit