CIRCUIT BENDING ... Mini forum in a single thread !!!

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whyterabbyt
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:38 am

aciddose wrote:where in any of those quotes you've got did i say "circuit bending is absolutely useless without formal knowledge"
fixed that for you. i didnt use the phrase 'lots of study', or anything that means the same as 'lots of study'.

but here are some quotes where you claim that circuit bending is useless without 'basic rules', or 'basic knowledge of electronics, which falls under several acceptable interpretations of 'formal knowledge'.

please feel to provide a definition of 'formal' which absolutely refutes that as an accurate usage. of course, i can find half a dozen appropriate definitions that support it, so that still wouldn't change much.

now that we've correctly defined "circuit bending", we can go on to say that it will require at least a basic knowledge of electronics
once again: you cant go anywhere with "circuit bending" without having some basic knowledge of electronics.
again: you can not get anywhere in circuit bending without knowing some additional basic rules.
i honestly do not care about circuit bending! i only said you cant go anywhere with it's methods.
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aciddose
KVRAF
12274 posts since 7 Dec, 2004

Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:00 am

yes, of course. now in what way are my statements incorrect? you can not get anywhere with circuit bending without learning some additional stuff. circuit bending methods by themselves will get you nothing but a bunch of messed up toys like the ones which already exist out there.

the common understanding of "circuit bending" is as i've described it back in that post, anyway. your definition is not the common understanding, although it may be your dogma. the majority of individuals i know who make money by circuit bending apply the techniques plus additional knowledge to instruments like tr- drum machines and others without destroying them! circuit bending ultimately is a sub-set of "modding" where there is no specific goal and particular techniques are used. the average individual reading this thread isnt going to follow your dogma, they're going to want to open up that tr-whatever and start throwing wires in. they'll get nowhere without having some additional knowledge.

leave your semantic bullshit out of this.

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whyterabbyt
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:26 am

aciddose wrote:yes, of course. now in what way are my statements incorrect?
oh, just the parts where you tell us what bending is, and how it should be done. so just the bits about circuit bending, really.
you can not get anywhere with circuit bending without learning some additional stuff.
unless, of course, you get somewhere. and of course, plenty of people have done so.
circuit bending methods by themselves will get you nothing but a bunch of messed up toys like the ones which already exist out there.
unless it gets you something different. and of course, plenty of people have done so.
the common understanding of "circuit bending" is as i've described it back in that post, anyway.
its very strange then, that across hundreds of benders sites, yours appears to be the uncommon understanding to plenty of people
your definition is not the common understanding, although it may be your dogma.
and yet plenty of people have that same understanding, and its quite common indeed.

im sure that simple fact pisses you off, though.
the majority of individuals i know who make money by circuit bending apply the techniques plus additional knowledge to instruments like tr- drum machines and others without destroying them!
and im sure you know lots of them. that really ties with your complete ignorance of Ghazala. :roll:

the commercial benders. yeah, they'd be the ones to ask. you're well aware that a lot of benders see its commercialisation as a complete anathema to the principles dont you, and that its an argument which reoccurs on the main mailing lists time after time?

what am i saying. of course you dont. you dont know any benders, or anything about it.
the average individual reading this thread isnt going to follow your dogma
the average individual reading this, unlike you, is smart enough to work out that I dont have one.

i note that most average benders in this thread havent followed your dogma, though. that must really piss you off.
they're going to want to open up that tr-whatever and start throwing wires in. they'll get nowhere without having some additional knowledge.


or they'll get somewhere. and of course, plenty of people have done so.
leave your semantic bullshit out of this.
if you're going to bring so much bullshit here, i think its only fair I get to respond by addressing the semantics of your bullshit.
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KVRAF
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:38 am

It doesn't help to mute him if you guys are just going to quote his posts in your replies.

:(
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whyterabbyt
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:47 am

intel wrote:It doesn't help to mute him if you guys are just going to quote his posts in your replies.

:(
yikes. sorry.
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KVRAF
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:12 am

Image

There's a picture of my most recent endeavor. It's an Arion Octave pedal that I uselessly wasted my time on.

More pictures, words and sounds: http://www.intelligentmachinery.net/?q=node/284
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vurt
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50076 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:23 am

id like to know some figures...
since ooh wed july the 18 2007 as an arbitary date plucked from nowhere, roughly how many projects have any of you completed? from idea to completion of just one unit will suffice :)
thats aciddose for the ohms and any benders for "ohmygawdnoway"

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aciddose
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:31 am

i've completed.. what, you are asking about individual circuits?

five filters, four oscs, three adsr, two discrete dacs, two analog controllers, two lfo, four waveshapers, two 9v buffer/waveshaper/distortion pedals, dual midi->cv at $5 cost, serial to parallel converter, not to mention all the mod stuff i've done. of course none of this stuff will be "complete" until i'm doing production units and making sales. in terms of "getting stuff done" i'd be willing to bet i have more experience here than anyone, though. most of my time is spent in design since i'm not merely attaching wires and pots to existing circuits, i'm designing the circuits themselves, then the layouts, then constructing them.

i can sell filters / buffers / waveshapers / midi->cv right now and the other bits will be available as both modules and as parts in a full synth in a couple months at most. prototypes in a couple weeks. can do custom circuits or build modules for those contacting me directly.

synth / midi->cv in action:
http://xhip.cjb.net/hardware/audio/xhip_analog.mp3
http://xhip.cjb.net/hardware/audio/track6_7.mp3
http://xhip.cjb.net/hardware/audio/track6.mp3

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vurt
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:40 am

aciddose wrote: in terms of "getting stuff done" i'd be willing to bet i have more experience here than anyone, though.
here as in "this thread" or as in "this forum" either way a bold statement to make with nothing to actually back it up, other than a half designed synth.
i know one guy here on kvr who has done the same kind of thing as you(start from scratch) and i have 3 of his pieces already and know others who have a couple too.
i know a couple of the benders here who have made and sold a fair few products not to mention the things they make for themselves.
ive built a fair few bits myself from others schematics, other than knowing the difference between resistors and capacitors and whatnot i have no idea what the value of each is and i dont own any measurement devices, ie ive thrown all kinds of resistors at things, and ended up with my own variant of what i had followed.


and no, i was asking about completed projects, ie ready to ship or use as a complete entity as per the idea of a completed project.

so far

zero for ohms law then.

just need some figures for the nonohms now :)

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aciddose
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:51 am

ready to use stuff?

mixing console: reshaped from a flat console to an upright. new power supply. fixed ground/bypass for hum/noise elimination. replaced some pots and a switch.

alpha-juno: basic power supply mod.

sh-09: bought this a couple years back ($100) and fixed it, it was totally fried at the time. works perfectly now. i guess this doesnt count as it was before the date you mentioned.

sh-09: new power supply. replaced obsolete components with modern ones. new noise generator. modified adsr to match improved sh-101 version. new sub-osc using 4013. improvements to keyboard gate circuit, still needs new sample&hold. improved range of lfo. added diode to lfo.pulse->osc.frequency. replaced headphone amp.

old foot pedal out of organ -> cv controller / wah pedal using one of the filter modules.

organ pedal board -> analog cv board using one of the analog keyboard control modules.

organ manuals -> analog controllers. only one was working, put them both away at the moment. midi->cv is better for many tasks.

two mains 1a +-15v bench supplies. two 15vac supplies.

fixed sb-live card's burnt out joystick fuse.

the previously mentioned midi->cv is a completed unit. the modular stuff is all completed and ready to use, i'm using it. that stuff just needs to be mounted to be used but i have no space for it so the spares are currently packed away. the two guitar pedals are finished units.

i'm going to throw a midi->cv in my sh-09 in the next day and build a midi 1->4 distribution unit.

i was referring to those currently arguing in this thread, not all of the thread and not all of kvr.

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vurt
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:02 am

intel wrote:Image

There's a picture of my most recent endeavor. It's an Arion Octave pedal that I uselessly wasted my time on.

More pictures, words and sounds: http://www.intelligentmachinery.net/?q=node/284

the similar models you sent to mark where nice, how much does one of those go for? and can you remember postage costs?
the stuff you do with pedals is way beyond my meager fumblings, any suggestions on a decent pedal to get to grips with.
are the new behringer ones worth looking at for bending? theyre cheap enough just not sure whats inside em...

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aciddose
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Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:23 am

i cant believe you would spend $40 on a panel like that. :?

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Hink
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29088 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine

Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:26 am

vurt wrote:id like to know some figures...
since ooh wed july the 18 2007 as an arbitary date plucked from nowhere, roughl
that's spooky, on your birthday you randomly pull my birthday from no where :lol:
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mauseoleum
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1907 posts since 29 Oct, 2003

Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:31 am

vurt wrote: are the new behringer ones worth looking at for bending? theyre cheap enough just not sure whats inside em...
surface mount ...

maybe:
- better check out which ones sound good as-is and use them unmodded.
- check out which ones are shitty and avoid.


DOD's are generally easy to mod ... and layed out neatly. Pots are usually soldered to pcb's though. Lots of schematics on the web as well.
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vurt
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50076 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Post Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:32 am

i care more for the sounds than the appearance. if its functinal(which they are, i spent hours noodling with one of the ones mark has) then how something looks is the least of my worries.

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