Macbook pro 16 inch 2019 + universal audio arrow. Worthy investment?

[1jordyzzz]

i gotcha plexuss

Have watched tons of rossmann video, and yeah... basically 1 dead resistor and the entire thing got screwed beyond user repair...... That's why i'm asking here..

Your reply makes me sure about getting a used MBP just for impression. Main workhorse will be windows PC or laptop.

Thank you so much.

[BertKoor]

For impression take a used Macbook Air. Saves you $2000. Take it with you and use it to make notes. On a piece of paper on top of it. Keep the lid closed. Suckers won't look beyond the Apple logo. Oh maybe it can run Reaper projects with audio only to demo. That usually suffices anyway.

[1jordyzzz]

For impression take a used Macbook Air. Saves you $2000. Take it with you and use it to make notes. On a piece of paper on top of it. Keep the lid closed. Suckers won't look beyond the Apple logo. Oh maybe it can run Reaper projects with audio only to demo. That usually suffices anyway.

LOL

[BertKoor]

No, dead serious. Really.

[Ploki]

No. I have been an Apple customer for 39 years, I started with an Apple ][+ system in 1981. It cost $3000US and my grandmother bought it for me. Now I use a 2010 Mac Pro 12 core and 2012 15" MBP. That's it for Apple for me. The MBP's from 2008-now except the 2012 15" and the 2013 Retina machines, all have critical design problems. Apple will not be of help. See youtube videos by Louis Rossmann. He repairs macbooks and has numerous videos covering issues with the electrical design of these machines. the 2013's have the SSD's. Only the 2012 uses dinosaur discs. I prefer to have storage space so I opted for the 2012. That's it. There are no other MBPs worth buing. Same story for the 2010 Mac Pro. Unless Apple changes it's ways, I will be moving to Windoze. Logic is a pig. Reaper is way faster. I just learning Reaper now with the plan to migrate to windoze. Apple has lost it's way. I wouldn't spend a dime on new hardware with them.

But Apple still has that fashion caché that other brands don't. If you need to impress your impressionable stakeholders with your fashion sense, then yes perhaps Apple will have value for you. It certainly won't be in the features and especially performance, where a windoze machine will be faster, more capable and much much cheaper.

hyperbole.

I've had the mid 2012 retina MBP with soldered RAM (16GB) and SSD.
I gave it to my gf, because not only it still works, but looks great and packs almost as much punch as my 2018 13".

As far as Mac Pro goes, a lot of people use the 2012 or the 2013-2015 trashcan (i would have too, but then they released the Mac Mini.)

If i migrated it would be studio one, reaper is great but it's one ugly f**k. community skins don't make it look better.

[fmr]

I've had the mid 2012 retina MBP with soldered RAM (16GB) and SSD.
I gave it to my gf, because not only it still works, but looks great and packs almost as much punch as my 2018 13".

That doesn't make your MBP of 2012 look good. It makes your 2018 13" look bad, and shows how little did Apple stuff evolve during these years (except in the prices and the way they prevent things from being upgraded)

[antic604]

I've had the mid 2012 retina MBP with soldered RAM (16GB) and SSD.
I gave it to my gf, because not only it still works, but looks great and packs almost as much punch as my 2018 13".

That doesn't make your MBP of 2012 look good. It makes your 20198 13" look bad, and shows how little did Apple stuff evolve during these years (except in the prices and the way they prevent things from being upgraded)

No, that makes you sound ignorant. 15'' MBP use quad-core 45 Watt CPUs vs. 13'' use U-type 15 Watt dual-core. World of difference in terms of performance, regardless of production year...

[Ploki]

That doesn't make your MBP of 2012 look good. It makes your 20198 13" look bad, and shows how little did Apple stuff evolve during these years (except in the prices and the way they prevent things from being upgraded)

both actually, but there's some aching truth in your post.

The 2018 13" is smaller, lighter and quieter while still having a 20-30% boost in power.
but yeah, for 6 years of development that's pretty bad.

However i don't believe it will age as well or hold as long as the 2012... I'm pretty certain the 2012 retina MBP will outlive my 2018 13".

I initially bought the 2018 15" i9, and i returned it. Because it was terrible, loud, hot, and expensive and didn't really have much edge over the 2012, while being LOUDER, and pretty much just as heavy and large.

The Touch bar is a great idea, horribly implement and not available over the whole Mac range (fail).

Frankly, the 2019 16" is what the 2018 15" should've been (but wasn't) I still wouldn't buy it tho, and it still has some issues. It's also a lot cheaper than the original i9 15"

Not all is on apple tho, most of mobile computing come into a stall with intel coming into a stall.

But going with AMD CPUs and Nvidia GPUs would probably make Macs marginally better. Still just marginally.

i do like my 13" tho

No, that makes you sound ignorant. 15'' MBP use quad-core 45 Watt CPUs vs. 13'' use U-type 15 Watt dual-core. World of difference in terms of performance, regardless of production year...

Well, no...
2019 2xTB3 port use 15W Quad-cores.
2018+ 13" use 35W hyper-threaded Quad-cores.
The difference between the 8th gen 35W Quad vs 45W 7th gen Quad is so much in favour of the 35W the 2018 13" outperform even the 15" from 2017...

[antic604]

No, that makes you sound ignorant. 15'' MBP use quad-core 45 Watt CPUs vs. 13'' use U-type 15 Watt dual-core. World of difference in terms of performance, regardless of production year...

Well, no...
2019 2xTB3 port use 15W Quad-cores.
2018+ 13" use 35W hyper-threaded Quad-cores.
The difference between the 8th gen 35W Quad vs 45W 7th gen Quad is so much in favour of the 35W the 2018 13" outperform even the 15" from 2017...

I thought the comparison was between 2012 and 2018. Why are you referring the 2019 model?

[Ploki]

I thought the comparison was between 2012 and 2018. Why are you referring the 2019 model?

you're wrong anyway then.
The only 2018 13" is a 35W quad-core with HT, that overperforms the 45W quad-cores of all previous 15" (2011-2017)
The only 15W 13" in 2018 was the 2017 model with 2x TB3 ports and no touchbar.

[1jordyzzz]

it's not an apple to apple comparison between 2012 15 inch i7 MBP vs NON TOUCH BAR 13 inch dual core i5.

Try comparing it to TOUCH BAR version.

[fmr]

it's not an apple to apple comparison between 2012 15 inch i7 MBP vs NON TOUCH BAR 13 inch dual core i5.

Try comparing it to TOUCH BAR version.

He was comparing the previous model HE owned with the current model HE owns.

Now it's time to stop these comparisons. Any Apple laptop model basically sucks when compared to the top of the line Windows laptops currently available on the market. On top of that, they come with the components soldered to the MoBo, and cost at least twice as much.

[Ploki]

He was comparing the previous model HE owned with the current model HE owns.

Now it's time to stop these comparisons. Any Apple laptop model basically sucks when compared to the top of the line Windows laptops currently available on the market. On top of that, they come with the components soldered to the MoBo, and cost at least twice as much.

well yeah, it was a comparison between 2012 45W Quad-core i7 (15") and 2018 35W Quad-core i5 (13" Touchbar), and i said the latter was better.

I don't agree with top of the line blah blah. SSDs prices were dropped significantly about 6 months ago, and the baseline 16" comes with a 512GB SSD.

I also don't agree they're better. Either they're huge, or they have worse heat issues - and they're not cheap either... Razor and similar are similarly priced, so are MS Surfaces.
14nm is being squeezed out of its last juice, and hw vendors can't do much about it except switch to ryzen

[fmr]

I also don't agree they're better. Either they're huge, or they have worse heat issues - and they're not cheap either... Razor and similar are similarly priced, so are MS Surfaces.
14nm is being squeezed out of its last juice, and hw vendors can't do much about it except switch to ryzen

Yes, they are usually bigger. So what?... Some of the biggest Mac laptop issues are exactly related to their size. As I said, I think we had enough of this comparison thing. Let's agree in disagree.

Razor and similar are similarly priced...

I presume you meant Razer. But... similarly priced? $1.599,00 vs $2.799,00

[Ploki]

Yes, they are usually bigger. So what?... Some of the biggest Mac laptop issues are exactly related to their size. As I said, I think we had enough of this comparison thing. Let's agree in disagree.

Razor and similar are similarly priced...

I presume you meant Razer. But... similarly priced? $1.599,00 vs $2.799,00

Yeah razer sorry.
As for size: because you pay for portability and form factor as well, that's always been the case tho. And the 16" is larger and offers a substantially better performance to 15' because it's also thicker.

Razer Blade Pro 15" vs 16" mbp (bad comparison), 16GB, 6-core 9750 i7, 1660gtx/5300M:
1899€ vs 2699€, but you get a HiDpi screen and 512GB SSD on the macbook, vs 128GB for Razer. Can't even compare them really.

better comparison:
Razer Blade Pro 17" vs 16" mbp with upgraded GPU to 5500M 4GB:
2649€ vs 2819€
You get 144Hz screen on Razer vs HiDPI on 16".

Razer doesn't offer 8-core CPUs tho, and macbooks have 4 TB3 ports.

This comparison would've gone much worse for the 2018-2019 15" models tho, as the price drops on apples are recent. couple of months ago on SSDs, and 16" base spec bump without the price hike.

There are much cheaper laptops on windows available, but not in the same form-factor / competing market.

MS Surfaces are worse, but they have a touch screen