AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

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Kaine
KVRAF
1923 posts since 4 Nov, 2004 from Manchester

Post Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:03 am

Apratim wrote:
Wed May 29, 2019 12:09 pm
well it seems like even amd now have thunderbolt(still need a card) and usb 3.2
https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/X570%20Ph ... /index.asp
Yeah, apparently so. I've not been keeping an eye on pre-release stuff recently, but there does appear to be multiple boards landing with X570 that changes things.

chk071
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Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:18 am

Pictus wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 6:38 am
Looks they will kick Intel ass https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9 ... -cinebench
Again? I mean, whenever a new AMD CPU came out, they were supposedly "kicking Intel's ass" (which never happened though). Not that i blame them. Seems the AMD fanbois are still living in wonderland.

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standalone
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5750 posts since 8 May, 2008 from ssssskipping ......... I left you there

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:30 am

Welcome to wonderland:

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?q=matisse

Ryzen 5 3600 = $199

http://browser.geekbench.com/processors/2549

i7-9700K = $406.99 today at Amazon.com
"A pig that doesn't fly is just a pig."

kmonkey
KVRAF
4063 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:52 am

chk071 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:18 am

Again? I mean, whenever a new AMD CPU came out, they were supposedly "kicking Intel's ass" (which never happened though). Not that i blame them. Seems the AMD fanbois are still living in wonderland.
have you been in coma past two years?

chk071
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Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:09 am

standalone wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:30 am
Welcome to wonderland:

http://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/search?q=matisse
:?:

Don't get that link at all. Here is the relevant one: http://browser.geekbench.com/processor-benchmarks
standalone wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:30 am
Ryzen 5 3600 = $199

http://browser.geekbench.com/processors/2549

i7-9700K = $406.99 today at Amazon.com
Yeah, because AMD has always been a good option for budget, not performance. How do they kick Intel's ass then? :nutter: Even though you can see from the benchmark table that the 3600 isn't on the same level as the i7-9700K anyway. So, not sure why you compare those.

Scotty
KVRAF
1966 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:33 am

chk071 wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:18 am
Pictus wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 6:38 am
Looks they will kick Intel ass https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-9 ... -cinebench
Again? I mean, whenever a new AMD CPU came out, they were supposedly "kicking Intel's ass" (which never happened though). Not that i blame them. Seems the AMD fanbois are still living in wonderland.
If you haven't been following the coverage of Ryzen 3 you are out of the loop... I think you're going to reconsider that statement ( after you get informed). You don't need to be a fanboi to appreciate where we are with Ryzen 3. At the very least it will put some serious pressure on Intel for price and performance even if it doesn't work out for low latency audio. We do need some solid tests. This is good news for all of us. I go to AMD when it makes sense to go to AMD (the last time was 2005) ... this may be the next time... Intel will have to respond regardless as the Ryzen 3 is going to be excellent for gamers, streamers and video content creators. That will drive pricing and if Intel remains the better choice for audio we'll have more money left in our budget for other things.
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gael_
KVRer
19 posts since 7 Jun, 2019

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:37 am

chk071 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:09 am
Yeah, because AMD has always been a good option for budget, not performance. How do they kick Intel's ass then? :nutter: Even though you can see from the benchmark table that the 3600 isn't on the same level as the i7-9700K anyway. So, not sure why you compare those.
Well you can clearly see on the benchmarks:

Intel 9700k:

6022
Single-Core Score
28832
Multi-Core Score

Ryzen 3600:

5498
Single-Core Score
28609
Multi-Core Score

So yeah the comparison is valid. I too am interested in the Ryzen 2 series, and to how Intel will react.

Scotty
KVRAF
1966 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:44 am

Below are the announced prices for the next generation Ryzens - The i7 9700k is currently sitting at $400.00 USD

It would seem to me that if you were comparing on price and performance you want to be looking at the Ryzen 3800X which 8c/16 thread CPU for $399.00 - The Ryzen 3600 is a $200 6c/12 CPU.

This is why people are hyped up (that and the improved IPC, lower latency, bigger cache, 7nm etc) . The price is very aggressive given the core count and superior architecture. It has little to do with fanbois.

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-9700K-D ... B07HHN6KBZ

Ryzen 9 3950X—16C/32T, 3.5GHz to 4.7GHz, 72MB cache, 105W TDP, $749 (in September)
Ryzen 9 3900X—12C/24T, 3.8GHz to 4.6GHz, 70MB cache, 105W TDP, $499
Ryzen 7 3800X—8C/16T, 3.9GHz to 4.5GHz, 36MB cache, 105W TDP, $399
Ryzen 7 3700X—8C/16T, 3.6GHz to 4.4GHz, 36MB cache, 65W TDP, $329
Ryzen 5 3600X—6C/12T, 3.8GHz to 4.4GHz, 35MB cache, 95W TDP, $249
Ryzen 5 3600—6C/12T, 3.6GHz to 4.2GHz, 35MB cache, 65W TDP, $199
Ryzen 5 3400G—(Zen+) 4C/8T, 3.7GHz to 4.2GHz, 6MB cache, Vega 11 Graphics at 1400MHz, 65W TDP, $149
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chk071
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Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:54 am

gael_ wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:37 am
chk071 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:09 am
Yeah, because AMD has always been a good option for budget, not performance. How do they kick Intel's ass then? :nutter: Even though you can see from the benchmark table that the 3600 isn't on the same level as the i7-9700K anyway. So, not sure why you compare those.
Well you can clearly see on the benchmarks:

Intel 9700k:

6022
Single-Core Score
28832
Multi-Core Score

Ryzen 3600:

5498
Single-Core Score
28609
Multi-Core Score

So yeah the comparison is valid. I too am interested in the Ryzen 2 series, and to how Intel will react.
The single core performance (which is always AMD's achilles heel nowadays) isn't at all up to par. It's also the thing which is most important for audio applications.

Kicking ass. How exactly?

chk071
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Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:55 am

Not that i'd think someone really into this stuff would opt for anything less but real high end. Which you won't find in AMD. Again, good budget solutions. Nothing anyone who wants to build a monster PC would want to choose.

Scotty
KVRAF
1966 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:57 am

accidental double post
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gael_
KVRer
19 posts since 7 Jun, 2019

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:00 am

It's only a 10% difference according to those benchs (it may not be accurate, check again at Ryzen 2 release), and I know for a fact that single thread performance is not the most important, unless youre using an old DAW or badly coded DAW or plugins, which unfortunately can still be the case for vsts in 2019.
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Scotty
KVRAF
1966 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:04 am

chk071 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:55 am
Not that i'd think someone really into this stuff would opt for anything less but real high end. Which you won't find in AMD. Again, good budget solutions. Nothing anyone who wants to build a monster PC would want to choose.

Nope.. no one. And they have a announced a 64 core monster for 4th quarter of 2019 or first quarter of 2020.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleat ... 4b32311675
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Scotty
KVRAF
1966 posts since 23 Dec, 2002

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:05 am

chk071 wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:55 am
Not that i'd think someone really into this stuff would opt for anything less but real high end. Which you won't find in AMD. Again, good budget solutions. Nothing anyone who wants to build a monster PC would want to choose.

Nope.. no one (sarcasm) . And they have announced a 64 core monster for 4th quarter of 2019 or first quarter of 2020.

https://fossbytes.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x ... 9-9980-xe/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleat ... 4b32311675
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fedexnman
KVRAF
2598 posts since 4 Jan, 2005

Re: AMD Ryzen 3rd gen. ZEN 2 processors for audio PC

Post Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:07 am

Yep AMD is kicking butttttttttt

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