The Wagtunes Corner
- KVRAF
- 3265 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
Here we go. Please keep in mind that I intend my comment to be a constructive criticism. Nice song. The problem I have is that the voice and the piano are not melting together in a cohesive sonic space. The voice is narrower, heavily compressed and a bit dry. Besides, as it stands out upfront without lots of musical decorum, all the editing is made apparent, it does not sound natural enough. The atmosphere conveyed by the lyrics and the music is lost because of this, for me at least.
Maybe adding some warm strings might help glue everything together ?
Maybe adding some warm strings might help glue everything together ?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Thanks for the critique. Much appreciated. The production was exactly as I wanted it, warts and all. I could have dressed this up with a fancy production and covered up all the editing and blah, blah, blah, but I chose not to do so. I wanted to see if the song itself could stand up without all the window dressing. For some it will (Layzer said the best thing I've ever done) and for some it won't.Wopelka wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:57 am Here we go. Please keep in mind that I intend my comment to be a constructive criticism. Nice song. The problem I have is that the voice and the piano are not melting together in a cohesive sonic space. The voice is narrower, heavily compressed and a bit dry. Besides, as it stands out upfront without lots of musical decorum, all the editing is made apparent, it does not sound natural enough. The atmosphere conveyed by the lyrics and the music is lost because of this, for me at least.
Maybe adding some warm strings might help glue everything together ?
Ultimately, sometimes you have to stand by your convictions and go with what you intended regardless of what anybody thinks.
Maybe one day I'll do a version to please the masses.
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
yup. take a song like yesterday by the beatles
nothing fancy, but it drives home an emotion.
wag's tune is not perfect, but perfect enough
to do what a song should do, grab and hold
you till its over.
the vocals were clear, the piano sounded nice,
and the intimate soundstage fit the type of song. (imo)
bravo, once again wags
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- KVRAF
- 3265 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
As I said, the purpose of my post was to provide a constructive criticism. We all have strong convictions about our own output and that's great. But, IMO, if it's always nice and good to receive applause, all the more from respected and skilled commentators, getting feedback about what didn't work for others is even more interesting and potentially useful. Sometimes, when I find nothing good to say I prefer to remain silent. If I bother write something it means that, besides the fact I found the time to do it, the track and/or the author are worth it. I hope it clarifies (if ever needed).
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Absolutely, and no offense was taken. In fact, on a purely technical level, I can't even argue with anything you said. I was simply explaining my reasons for doing the track the way I chose to do it, knowing full well that it would not be received well by those wanting a "better" production.Wopelka wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:46 pm As I said, the purpose of my post was to provide a constructive criticism. We have all strong convictions about our own output and that's great. But, IMO, if it's always nice and good to receive applause, all the more from respected and skilled commentators, getting feedback about what didn't work for others is even more interesting and potentially useful. Sometimes, when I find nothing good to say I prefer to remain silent. If I bother write something it means that, besides the fact I found the time to do it, the track and/or the author are worth it. I hope it clarifies (if ever needed).
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- KVRAF
- 2667 posts since 22 Jan, 2011 from near Los Angeles
wagtunes,
Thank you for the reviews! Now "At The End of the Day": For me, the strong point of the song is the piano melodies and piano playing. Very good! What did you use for piano? I find it much easier to write music with various synths, as opposed to purely piano. Though I have a few songs that are roughly half piano. Vocal melodies are very good. Singing is pretty good, though occasionally a little pitchy (my only significant gripe). Audio quality is good. A very good song! Lyrics: part sad, and part hopeful things will be better on the other side. Now to track down your other song.
Thank you for the reviews! Now "At The End of the Day": For me, the strong point of the song is the piano melodies and piano playing. Very good! What did you use for piano? I find it much easier to write music with various synths, as opposed to purely piano. Though I have a few songs that are roughly half piano. Vocal melodies are very good. Singing is pretty good, though occasionally a little pitchy (my only significant gripe). Audio quality is good. A very good song! Lyrics: part sad, and part hopeful things will be better on the other side. Now to track down your other song.
You can hear my original music at this link: https://www.soundclick.com/artist/defau ... dID=224436
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aaron aardvark aaron aardvark https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=248508
- KVRAF
- 2667 posts since 22 Jan, 2011 from near Los Angeles
wagtunes,
'Losing My Mind": your singing is significantly better overall on this song. All of the melodies on this song are very good! Classic 70's rock in my opinion. For me, the 70's and the 80's were the best decades in rock music, but I'm sure my age has something to do with that opinion. I like the lead guitar and (keyboard/electric bass combo?) bass on the intro. Instrumentally, everything sound rather good! Nice job!
'Losing My Mind": your singing is significantly better overall on this song. All of the melodies on this song are very good! Classic 70's rock in my opinion. For me, the 70's and the 80's were the best decades in rock music, but I'm sure my age has something to do with that opinion. I like the lead guitar and (keyboard/electric bass combo?) bass on the intro. Instrumentally, everything sound rather good! Nice job!
You can hear my original music at this link: https://www.soundclick.com/artist/defau ... dID=224436
- KVRAF
- 7624 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
reminded me some of really early Bowie. I always say I love your voice and I think it was perfect for this song. Really beautiful song. Well done Wags.
oh it was at the end of the day
oh it was at the end of the day
my music: http://www.alexcooperusa.com
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
- KVRAF
- 7624 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
yeah all my best feedback has been negative. It stung when I got it but helped a lot.Wopelka wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 12:46 pm As I said, the purpose of my post was to provide a constructive criticism. We all have strong convictions about our own output and that's great. But, IMO, if it's always nice and good to receive applause, all the more from respected and skilled commentators, getting feedback about what didn't work for others is even more interesting and potentially useful. Sometimes, when I find nothing good to say I prefer to remain silent. If I bother write something it means that, besides the fact I found the time to do it, the track and/or the author are worth it. I hope it clarifies (if ever needed).
my music: http://www.alexcooperusa.com
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
- KVRAF
- 7624 posts since 21 Dec, 2002 from MD USA
I sort of agree with this. Vocals do sound a little too separate from the piano.Wopelka wrote: ↑Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:57 am Here we go. Please keep in mind that I intend my comment to be a constructive criticism. Nice song. The problem I have is that the voice and the piano are not melting together in a cohesive sonic space. The voice is narrower, heavily compressed and a bit dry. Besides, as it stands out upfront without lots of musical decorum, all the editing is made apparent, it does not sound natural enough. The atmosphere conveyed by the lyrics and the music is lost because of this, for me at least.
Maybe adding some warm strings might help glue everything together ?
my music: http://www.alexcooperusa.com
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
"It's hard to be humble, when you're as great as I am." Muhammad Ali
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Thanks for all the comments guys. Much appreciated.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
In between projects now so posting an older track.
Was listening to this the other day and I thought to myself, "That's a hell of a catchy riff." Honestly, I don't even know how I thought of it. Anyway, sorry folks, it's a Vocaloid tune.
Hold Onto Your Head
Fruit cake, fruit cake who has got the fruit cake
Hand grenades in your eye
Bubble gum shoes while we sing the blues
Are you too afraid to cry
Tooth ache, tooth ache, do you have a tooth ache
More to come everyday
Blame it on me cause the pain is free
Doesn't matter anyway
It's your life
Though you want this one instead
Just be careful what you wish for
While you hold onto your head
Tea bag, tea bag, who has got the tea bag
Boiling water too
Soak 'em in rum cause it's way more fun
Till you end up fried and stewed
Head ache, head ache, do you have a head ache
Maybe it's screwed too tight
Bark at the moon cause we're all just doomed
Ain't a thing round here that's right
Repeat Chorus 2x
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... 0s-squared
Was listening to this the other day and I thought to myself, "That's a hell of a catchy riff." Honestly, I don't even know how I thought of it. Anyway, sorry folks, it's a Vocaloid tune.
Hold Onto Your Head
Fruit cake, fruit cake who has got the fruit cake
Hand grenades in your eye
Bubble gum shoes while we sing the blues
Are you too afraid to cry
Tooth ache, tooth ache, do you have a tooth ache
More to come everyday
Blame it on me cause the pain is free
Doesn't matter anyway
It's your life
Though you want this one instead
Just be careful what you wish for
While you hold onto your head
Tea bag, tea bag, who has got the tea bag
Boiling water too
Soak 'em in rum cause it's way more fun
Till you end up fried and stewed
Head ache, head ache, do you have a head ache
Maybe it's screwed too tight
Bark at the moon cause we're all just doomed
Ain't a thing round here that's right
Repeat Chorus 2x
https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... 0s-squared
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
Hold Onto Your Head:
very DEVOish! meow haters will not like it
but i like meow sounds and cats so i enjoyed it.
mix lacks low end for my taste , but the comp and lyrics the usual top-wags
played to the end.
very DEVOish! meow haters will not like it
but i like meow sounds and cats so i enjoyed it.
mix lacks low end for my taste , but the comp and lyrics the usual top-wags
played to the end.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
You know, you have so spoiled me with all you've taught me about this stuff. I listened to this today with headphones and the first thing I said to myself was "Where the hell is the bass?"
Yeah, it really lacks a low end and I think would be a lot better if it had it. I hear other minor problems as well. My ears are getting better trained. If I had the time I'd go back and redo a lot of my old tracks but I just don't have the time.
- KVRAF
- 1988 posts since 19 Aug, 2008
I like Losing Your Mind a lot. The opening actually reminded me of a Queen-like progression. I like the lyrics of At The End of the Day, but I think you need a thicker arrangement to support your voice.
Some of the stuff you do is like, "Wow, thats unique and very well written" and other stuff is like "meh" its like Russian Roulette what will come down the pipe next.
Some of the stuff you do is like, "Wow, thats unique and very well written" and other stuff is like "meh" its like Russian Roulette what will come down the pipe next.