MUnison - impressive plugin!

[Sampleconstruct]

Just had a little jam with Scarbees's Jay Bass and MUnison, starting off with a more traditional octaver setting and taking it from there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRY2imSGMTE

[Frantz]

The algorithm is exactly the same. What is different is what these plugins do. In MMultiBandHarmonizer there are many things, but basically either you have a pitch shifted version of the original, or you can play what you want the plugin to sing via MIDI. One voice for each note. In MUnison the plugin always plays either unisono, changing the notes, or some note relative to the current note while being in the selected scale, hence "smart harmonizing".

To me, it seems like MUnison's features could be new modes of operation for MMultiBandHarmonizer since they are both harmonizers that use the same pitch shifting algorithm. I may buy it at some point but for the moment I guess I will stick with MMultiBandHarmonizer.

[jmg8]

Don't be disheartened with your purchase of MMultibandHarmonizer, it is an amazing plugin and can do a lot that MUnison can't.
In a nutshell MMH is designed to create harmonies of the original input pitch and MU is designed to create copies of the input pitch.
MMH has some different modes it can operate in, like granular, vocoder and harmonizer. This is good as different types of input can sound better with the different modes.

[ZentralmassivSound]

The algorithm is exactly the same. What is different is what these plugins do. In MMultiBandHarmonizer there are many things, but basically either you have a pitch shifted version of the original, or you can play what you want the plugin to sing via MIDI. One voice for each note. In MUnison the plugin always plays either unisono, changing the notes, or some note relative to the current note while being in the selected scale, hence "smart harmonizing".

To me, it seems like MUnison's features could be new modes of operation for MMultiBandHarmonizer

+1

I would like that, too, if MMultiBandHarmonizer could do these intelligent harmonies.

[ZentralmassivSound]

Yeah, really cool sound!

Though the pitching isn't always perfect when harmonizing in scales. Listen to this example below, just played a saw through MUnison. It hits all the correct frequencies in the first example (middle octave). In the second example (lower octave), some chords sound really bad, especially the C-major one. Also the upper octave (last example) doesn's sound all in tune.

http://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3347 ... onTest.mp3

These are the settings I used:

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Ah, found that it has to do with the buffer size. At 2048 samples, all harmonics are perfectly clean. 1024 is just to small of a buffer it seems.

[Frantz]

Don't be disheartened with your purchase of MMultibandHarmonizer, it is an amazing plugin and can do a lot that MUnison can't.

I am not disheartened, I am getting good results with MMultibandHarmonizer. But I am expressing frustration with MOverlap and MConfusion. For exampe, I thought about trying a Melda saturation/distortion plugin but which should I demo and ultimately buy? All of these?

MAmp
MMultiBandDistortion
MMultiBandSaturator
MMultiBandWaveFolder
MMultiBandWaveShaper

I would rather buy one expensive plugin that will be enhanced over time than have to keep buying lots of cheap similar plugins that I won't be able to keep track of.

[ZentralmassivSound]

BTW just trying out MUnison presets on vocals. Pheew, this is really a good plugin! Why the f** should I fight with my DAW to get harmony voices, click a dozen times, wait for the renderings, make corrections here and there, etc. etc. while I can have some similar result just with one click using MUnison?

PS: some presets really badly kill my CPU though

[jmg8]

Don't be disheartened with your purchase of MMultibandHarmonizer, it is an amazing plugin and can do a lot that MUnison can't.

I am not disheartened, I am getting good results with MMultibandHarmonizer. But I am expressing frustration with MOverlap and MConfusion. For exampe, I thought about trying a Melda saturation/distortion plugin but which should I demo and ultimately buy? All of these?

MAmp
MMultiBandDistortion
MMultiBandSaturator
MMultiBandWaveFolder
MMultiBandWaveShaper

I would rather buy one expensive plugin that will be enhanced over time than have to keep buying lots of cheap similar plugins that I won't be able to keep track of.

Get MXXX, it's soooo good!
If that's too much from the ones you mentioned. I would go for MMDistortion. As I believe it has saturation, amp modeling and a few different distortion types with sample and bit reduction. In the amp model section it let's you pick between transistor and tube and even change the instability amount. Overall the most for the money out of the ones you mentioned.

[Frantz]

Get MXXX, it's soooo good!

I might do that at some point but even within MXXX, I would still have to navigate between an ever growing list of plugins with overlapping functionality. The thought of that gives me a headache.

I would go for MMDistortion. As I believe it has saturation, amp modeling and a few different distortion types with sample and bit reduction. In the amp model section it let's you pick between transistor and tube and even change the instability amount. Overall the most for the money out of the ones you mentioned.

Thanks for the recommendation.

[aMUSEd]

Don't be disheartened with your purchase of MMultibandHarmonizer, it is an amazing plugin and can do a lot that MUnison can't.

I am not disheartened, I am getting good results with MMultibandHarmonizer. But I am expressing frustration with MOverlap and MConfusion. For exampe, I thought about trying a Melda saturation/distortion plugin but which should I demo and ultimately buy? All of these?

MAmp
MMultiBandDistortion
MMultiBandSaturator
MMultiBandWaveFolder
MMultiBandWaveShaper

I would rather buy one expensive plugin that will be enhanced over time than have to keep buying lots of cheap similar plugins that I won't be able to keep track of.

I am also finding it hard to see how some of these plugins don't overlap functionally or why new plugins with slightly different variations on the same thing keep being released rather than existing plugins being enhanced. While individually they are cheap this means in the case of distortion you actually end up paying over $200 for 4 distortion plugins rather than have one distortion plugin that incorporates what they all do and has no redundancy. Same with Rotary and Vintage rotary - why pay over $150 to get 2 rotary plugins that have so much overlap? Why not have one plugin that does vintage and non vintage rotary effects (and the plain rotary one also claims to cover vintage rotary effects which is even more confusing).

[dmbaer]

Instant space choir action - processing a single/monophonic Phonem synthesizer voice with Melda's MUnison plugin, some reverb on a Buss.

Wow - impressive indeed. Thanks for sharing these videos, Simon. Vojtech, well done - clearly another winner!

[vectorwarrior]

Don't be disheartened with your purchase of MMultibandHarmonizer, it is an amazing plugin and can do a lot that MUnison can't.

I am not disheartened, I am getting good results with MMultibandHarmonizer. But I am expressing frustration with MOverlap and MConfusion. For exampe, I thought about trying a Melda saturation/distortion plugin but which should I demo and ultimately buy? All of these?

MAmp
MMultiBandDistortion
MMultiBandSaturator
MMultiBandWaveFolder
MMultiBandWaveShaper

I would rather buy one expensive plugin that will be enhanced over time than have to keep buying lots of cheap similar plugins that I won't be able to keep track of.

I am also finding it hard to see how some of these plugins don't overlap functionally or why new plugins with slightly different variations on the same thing keep being released rather than existing plugins being enhanced. While individually they are cheap this means in the case of distortion you actually end up paying over $200 for 4 distortion plugins rather than have one distortion plugin that incorporates what they all do and has no redundancy. Same with Rotary and Vintage rotary - why pay over $150 to get 2 rotary plugins that have so much overlap? Why not have one plugin that does vintage and non vintage rotary effects (and the plain rotary one also claims to cover vintage rotary effects which is even more confusing).

While I agree with the comment about the rotarys (although this may be because I dont use them so dont appreciate the difference), the distortion plugs take very different approaches and each has their own sound... well, maybe with the exception of MAmp, which is sort of the 'budget' option.

Distortion is great for getting that basic distorted guitar sound and for screaming distortion. Saturator is for warming rather than out and out distortion (although it can do that if pushed)... eg i use it for bass/treble enhancement where EQ isn't cutting it or for adding a more analog punch/aggressiveness to things. Wave folder has a totally different sound to the others, really only works well on tonal material in my opinion due to the way it affects harmonics and can quickly get insane when pushed... it's great on synths. Wave shaping allows for total control over the type of distortion for those that want extreme control and more unusual types of distortion. I own all and they are all useful in their own way.

[steve2KVR]

...yah...what VW said...when I first started getting "melda'ed" I couldn't get the distinctions, very confusing...but...now...with a bathtub full of the cool aid...I use the similar plugs all consistently in somewhat/very different ways...and I'm glad for the distinctions...hth .../s~

[vectorwarrior]

Just found a sort of bug with MUnison...

on first playback the first little bit (maybe half a second) sounds 'smeared'. After that it is fine.

Repro steps:

-take single drum hit like a snare, place on track (i'm using reaper)
-place munison on track
-playback on loop of around a second, with just the snare solo'd
-notice the first snare sounds different to the rest
-also, render out the snare
-listen to the render, notice the render sounds smeared

This problem existed in MSpectralDynamics for a while, Vojtech fixed it a while back. I should have checked this in the beta.

[Nspace]

moved (both meanings)