AdvancedFollower wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:33 am
Lots of ladder filters do that when you turn up the resonance, along with the bass dropping out from the sound.
Yes, which is why I dislike them so much and wouldn't buy any synth that had one (and no other alternatives).
yellowmix wrote: ↑
Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:20 am
You're looking at modular from a fixed architecture viewpoint and that's the first mistake most people make, myself included.
I am looking at the features it has, all of which are inadequate, from the oscillators to the filter, envelope and LFO. If it had even one thing to recommend it, I could see the merit in your attitude but when you need to replace every single part of it, it has no value beyond being a patchbay or a simple sequencer, either of which you could buy for much less.
You can't put the Uno filter in your other synth.
Why would I want to? I have half-a-dozen synths I can feed an external signal into but to me it seems like the stupidest idea ever, especially given how good Uno's oscillators sound. I can see why it is valuable for Crave, because none of the standard features are very good, but if you buy the right synth, you won't need to do any of that. That's my point - Crave simply cannot stand on it's own two feet as a synth because both the sum of it's parts and those individual parts are below par. Behringer make a big fuss about using the 3340 chip, which shows they they think it will sell to people who care more about those irrelevant details than they do about how it sounds. Seems they are right on that score, too.
With modular you can mix and match. And it's not just about swapping modules, it's the cables between them, the holistic interaction where the modular system becomes greater than the sum of its parts.
You mean like a proper synth. Because that's all you end up with, a synth. Nothing more, nothing greater. It's just that you have to jump through many more hoops to get there. Just like SynthEdit, except that at least with SynthEdit you end up with a normal VSTi that you can store patches in and use for years and years after you put in all that extra work.
It's really odd to call me a "hoarder" of modules when you're talking about getting a synth for every possible combination of modules.
That's more arse-backwards thinking from you. I don't buy synths "for every possible combination of modules", I buy a range of synths to cover a broad range of possible timbres as easily as possible. Sound is always the no. 1 priority, with workflow close behind. If, for example, I end up buying an Argon8, I will sell the Craft Synth 2.0 because they do the same stuff. I do that all the time. I've sold half-a-dozen synths in the last year or two and bought four new ones. It's a constant search for the right gear, not just for more gear.
OTOH, the way you talk about it makes it seem like the main point is getting more modules to make your work ever more complex. Hence "hoarder". Seriously, if I was into modular, I'd be even more critical of Crave because I'd want modules/synths with more to contribute than a single oscillator with just two waveforms, an ADS envelope and a very poor LFO. I'd want something that could contribute to my set-up, not need to be propped up by it.
I'm going by what you said about it, I trust your assessment, because it was right about the Uno:
Because the app makes it "easier" implies that it was already easy, which is the case. And of course it will always be easier to work in a software interface than a hardware interface, simply because there are way fewer restrictions. Anyone who doesn't see that is an idiot.
BTW, your statement directly contradicts your previous assertion that in all the videos you watched Craft was being used with a tablet, which is why you weren't interested in it.
If you thought Skulpt's front panel was hard to work with, Craft 2's is even worse. They've gone away from the angled text but there isn't anywhere near enough contrast between the text and the panel for it to be readable unless you have the light coming in at just the right angle. Right now the unit is half-a-metre away from my eyes and I can't read a single label. OTOH, I can read every word printed on Skulpt's front panel and it is further away.
Wow, that is strange because it's actually the other way around. Skulpt is the one that's hard to read, Craft is way, way less hassle. Skulpt is grey on grey Where Craft is white on grey or white on black. I must have written that the day I got it because after a few months Craft is way, way easier to read, day or night.
This is a deal-breaker. I've got Serum, Hive, Avenger, so many powerful wavetable-capable softsynths to satisfy me, and I don't want it portable/DAWless if it's not 99% close to perfect for me. It's got nothing to do with you.
Here again is that wrong-headed thinking of yours. I don't only compare a wavetable synth to other wavetable synths, I compare the output sound of every synth with every other synth. I certainly don't sit in front of Hive or DUNE and think "OK, I'm going to need a wavetable oscillator to make this sound". That kind of thinking is far too restrictive.
I like making my own stuff: cables, wavetables, modular racks, bread, art & design. I find joy in creating these aspects of things where other people want premade stuff, which is fine.
As do I but, at the end of the day, I also like to finish albums and get them out into the wild, which means I need to make choices about which parts of the process are important and which are not. At the end of the day, that means only doing the things I have to. e.g. I still mostly make my own keyboard stands, or put a effort into enhancing the things I buy because i need to but if someone came along with the perfect solution, I'd happily go with that.
[/quote]I like Modal's choices from what I can see, but I know I'd be unhappy not being able to add my own.[/quote]
But you accept those kinds of choices all the time because it is really only wavetable synths that let you load your own oscillators/waveforms.
And I was more like suggesting things to IK, like they're gonna wade through all this. But consider yourself lucky, I'm still looking for my unicorn.
Whereas I am always happy to take the tools at hand and make something from them. I dot really see it as my job to tell people how to make their products (which is why I am a terrible beta tester).
I have more requirements, I want to do FM, fractal, all sorts of weird maths, etc...
Why? I want to write and produce songs. I don't care about fractals or all sorts of weird maths, I just want usable timbres for all the parts of each of my songs. If I can find a preset to do that, I'll use it but if I can't, then I'll make one but I won't care what process is involved in getting the right sound, only that it is the right sound when I'm done. Surely we are all here to make music? Again, though, you sound like a collector/hoarder.
Okay, you don't like 303s, you don't like ladder filters, you don't consider analog or wavetables to be a feature, that's fine. Is it hard to believe people have other preferences?
It is very difficult to believe theirs are valid.
when you say people should buy the Uno instead and there's no reason to get the Crave, that's unnecessarily confrontational.
I didn't tell anyone anything I simply asked why anyone would choose Crave over Uno and made a list of completely valid reasons why you might choose Uno instead. A rational response would have been to come up with a list of reasons to choose Crave but instead there was nothing but a torrent of abuse and people telling me to go away. As though they weren't even interested in a discussion.
If someone came here to advocate against the Uno, saying anyone that was considering it is irrational, personally I would ignore it.
Why? What if they had perfectly valid reasoning that pointed you in a different direction, to something even better? I'd engage with them to learn as much as I could because there is always plenty to be learned.