Phase Plant released

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i'd just try it and i must say it is VERY good even without the FX add on , a few day ago i was thinking UA Lion was a beast , but now i must said that Phase Plant is the most powerful synth atm ! It sound very , VERY good !

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rj0 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:46 pm
dionenoid wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:32 pm So cool to be able to use SnapHeap and Multipass inside Phaseplant. And some nice other improvements. This synth is getting better and better. :tu:
Multipass sells for $99, and supports Snapins only, if I'm not mistaken. Not so cool.
Well that depends, if you already own them it's pretty cool. :D

Anyway, Phaseplant is a cool synth, even if you don't have all the paid Snap-ins.
More BPM please

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I quite like it but it is the most punishing cpu hog I've ever used. That is, of course, for all the interesing sounds.

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inkwarp wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 10:23 pm I quite like it but it is the most punishing cpu hog I've ever used. That is, of course, for all the interesing sounds.
+1 A CPU KILLER !

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antic604 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:08 pm...and my point is - if you know what "more biting" or "smoother" filter means in terms of technical features, then you can probably put one together by yourself :)
Not in PP because you only have access to the signal path at discrete points. Yes, I can put distortion between the oscillators and the filter but I can't change the Q of the resonance or how the filter responds in a more general sense. OTOH, with Pigments, for example, I can choose from a range of quite different filter types. On the discussion page for that synth, several people have said they like the Matrix filters but I prefer the SEM filters. It' snot a case of "who needs all those different filter types?", it's that a range of options will please more people. i.e. everyone finds the one they like and uses only that one most of the time. If Kilohearts offered lots of different filter models as snap-ins, instead of just the more specialised formant and comb filters, that could be a solution but as it stand, all we get is the same filter in PP and as a snap-in.
I'm not saying you should, but in the meantime - until it's there - you probably can. That's what great about synths like PP or - I know you're not a fan - DAWs like Bitwig :)
I hope they have improved on the shithouse synth in Bitwig when I was using it. It was horrible, like something from the turn of the century, before they worked out how to do V/A properly.
DJErmac wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:19 pm And if we're talking possibilities, of course I believe PP blowns Pigments away.
I think you'd be wrong in that assessment. PP doesn't have a full-blown granular engine like Pigments does, for a start, and in the context of any half-decent host application, you can build as much complexity into the sound as you need to. not everything has to happen inside the plugin.
I'm not yet a PP fanboy but I must say its sound is really, really sharp and clean, I love this. I've waited until the price is right, simply couldn't pass the PluginBoutique offer.
I think it's sound is the least convincing aspect of it, to be honest. The sound quality is definitely there but it is a bit limited, especially if you go by the presets.
ckam03 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:56 pmActually I thought most of the presets were lackluster at best...
That's why I asked, because I felt the same.
rj0 wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:49 pmEffects are unnecessary in a base sound (i.e. lazy sound design), and probably should generally be added in the host as send effects (besides, stand-alone VST effects tend to be much more sophisticated, and better in general). Presets should be evaluated with the effects off.
I used to think like that but lately I've embraced on board effects a lot more. What I've noticed in a lot of synths, PP included, is that you can often turn off half the effects and it doesn't change the timbre at all. Compressors, for example, seem to be mostly used to make the patch louder, not to actually shape the timbre in any way.
The base PP synth version with the limited free effects is very capable, with a lot to like, and certainly interesting, and worth considering if the annoyances can be ignored/overcome...
… The question I'm struggling with is whether the base version with those annoyances is worth it.
You'd better make up your mind quickly, the sale price is only valid for another day. If I am being completely honest, I feel like I might have let my enthusiasm get the best of me. I don't regret spending the money but I honestly don't think I will get as much use from Phase Plant as I had hoped I might, unless there are a few improvements down the line.
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Improvements like what?

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filters and msegs
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Filters, definitely. More models and more options, like saturation/drive. I think the state of the filters is why so many presets tend to showcase FM over anything else. If you go through the bass presets, for example, you'll find heaps more FM patches than you would in something like DUNE or Pigments.

MSEGS - I honestly couldn't care less.
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BONES wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:25 pmNot in PP because you only have access to the signal path at discrete points. Yes, I can put distortion between the oscillators and the filter but I can't change the Q of the resonance or how the filter responds in a more general sense. OTOH, with Pigments, for example, I can choose from a range of quite different filter types. On the discussion page for that synth, several people have said they like the Matrix filters but I prefer the SEM filters. It' snot a case of "who needs all those different filter types?", it's that a range of options will please more people. i.e. everyone finds the one they like and uses only that one most of the time. If Kilohearts offered lots of different filter models as snap-ins, instead of just the more specialised formant and comb filters, that could be a solution but as it stand, all we get is the same filter in PP and as a snap-in.
As I said, I'm definitely FOR them adding more filter types (and I'm sure they will!), but at the same time I can't agree that it's just the low- and high- pass and that's it, because with modulation and routing you can do much more - for example now that Mutipass can be inserted into PP, you might have a filter that responds differently to different frequency bands.

But yeah - let's agree agree PP needs more filters :)
BONES wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:25 pmI hope they have improved on the shithouse synth in Bitwig when I was using it. It was horrible, like something from the turn of the century, before they worked out how to do V/A properly.
Not sure which one you're referring to (there's 4, or 6 if you count in Sampler & PolyGrid), but they're still great for a native, workhorse synths :P
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1.0.8 is blacklisted under osx 10.12 + cubase pro 10.0.5

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hivkorn wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:44 am 1.0.8 is blacklisted under osx 10.12 + cubase pro 10.0.5
Sorry you're having this problem.

There's a known issue affecting some Mac users that should be fixed in an update today. If you also send an email to support@kilohearts.com about this they will appreciate the info and can also update you as soon as the update is ready.

In the meantime, you should be able to use the installer to revert to the previous version.

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StuSmith wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:59 am
hivkorn wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:44 am 1.0.8 is blacklisted under osx 10.12 + cubase pro 10.0.5
Sorry you're having this problem.

There's a known issue affecting some Mac users that should be fixed in an update today. If you also send an email to support@kilohearts.com about this they will appreciate the info and can also update you as soon as the update is ready.

In the meantime, you should be able to use the installer to revert to the previous version.
thx i will wait the update :) :tu:

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antic604 wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:19 amAs I said, I'm definitely FOR them adding more filter types (and I'm sure they will!), but at the same time I can't agree that it's just the low- and high- pass and that's it, because with modulation and routing you can do much more - for example now that Mutipass can be inserted into PP, you might have a filter that responds differently to different frequency bands.
MultiPass adds $100 to the price of Phase Plant. It's hardly a solution to anything, especially when I can choose from 30 different filters in DUNE or 36 in Pigments.
Not sure which one you're referring to (there's 4, or 6 if you count in Sampler & PolyGrid), but they're still great for a native, workhorse synths :P
There was only one synth in Bitwig v2 and it was very ordinary. A sampler is not a synth.
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BONES wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:14 pmThere was only one synth in Bitwig v2 and it was very ordinary. A sampler is not a synth.
No.

v1.3 (and thus v2 too) had Organ, FM4 and Polysynth

v2.3 added Phase-4

v2.4 re-did Sampler, actually truning it into granular & wavetable synth depending on the mode (unless you think Serum also isn't a synth and just a sample player - then we can agree)

v3.0 added PolyGrid that covers and mixes subtractive, FM/PM, wavetable

I'm obviously not saying they're better or even near to Diva, Dune or The Legend, but for most bread & butter sounds they're more than adequate - just like most synths native to other DAWs.
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BONES wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:14 pmMultiPass adds $100 to the price of Phase Plant. It's hardly a solution to anything, especially when I can choose from 30 different filters in DUNE or 36 in Pigments.
Right. When I think of PP, I always think of the full package you get in subscription - my bad :)

Still, MultiPass at $99 is a great deal for Cubase user, where applying different FX chains to separate frequency bands is lots of work.
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