Why use emulations of classic analogue synths---is it just nostalgia?...
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
"because it can do X and others cannot..."
Imagine a place where you'd say 'a flute cannot do guitar nor vice versa' and an argument that both are inferior instruments since both are seriously lacking.
A Minimoog is not going to give you Yamaha FM. You can get a nice synth brass out of a DX7 but you don't have filters and if you wanted a filter sweep easily you're SOL. Both are use cases, everything is use cases.
KVR and synth-only people.
I'm tickling myself imagining a listener with BONES' music going, 'I say, this sounds better than if he used that sodding Minimoog!'. Dude, your music is plodding af.
Sorry, it's not like I'm going to hold onto that one forever.
Imagine a place where you'd say 'a flute cannot do guitar nor vice versa' and an argument that both are inferior instruments since both are seriously lacking.
A Minimoog is not going to give you Yamaha FM. You can get a nice synth brass out of a DX7 but you don't have filters and if you wanted a filter sweep easily you're SOL. Both are use cases, everything is use cases.
KVR and synth-only people.
I'm tickling myself imagining a listener with BONES' music going, 'I say, this sounds better than if he used that sodding Minimoog!'. Dude, your music is plodding af.
Sorry, it's not like I'm going to hold onto that one forever.
- KVRAF
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Essentially, what I've noticed about KVR in a nutshelljancivil wrote: ↑Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:49 am "because it can do X and others cannot..."
Imagine a place where you'd say 'a flute cannot do guitar nor vice versa' and an argument that both are inferior instruments since both are seriously lacking.
A Minimoog is not going to give you Yamaha FM. You can get a nice synth brass out of a DX7 but you don't have filters and if you wanted a filter sweep easily you're SOL. Both are use cases, everything is use cases.
KVR and synth-only people.
I'm tickling myself imagining a listener with BONES' music going, 'I say, this sounds better than if he used that sodding Minimoog!'. Dude, your music is plodding af.
Sorry, it's not like I'm going to hold onto that one forever.
Joe: I think Omnisphere is a great synth.
Jim: You're an idiot.
All you need to know about KVR.
- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
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- KVRAF
- 2982 posts since 9 Dec, 2008
- Boss Lovin' DR
- 12547 posts since 15 Mar, 2002 from the grimness of yorkshire
You're now going to say that you saw these on their '74 tour supporting Genesis.
- KVRAF
- 6095 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
Case in pointdonkey tugger wrote: ↑Sat Feb 16, 2019 5:11 amYou're now going to say that you saw these on their '74 tour supporting Genesis.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
- KVRAF
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
I feel like I don’t have synth nostalgia. Guitar nostalgia, but not synth nostalgia. During my formative years, I wasn’t that interested in synthesis... seemed too much like cheezy imitations of acoustic instruments. I think a lot of stuff from the 70s was people not really knowing what to do with them. 80s got a little better, but for me things really got good in the 90s. But even though I got turned off by “Popcorn,” and the like, I still think the sound of a Minimoog Model D is superb. OSCar is amazing. Prophet 5, great. Other synths, like the Jupiter 8... just OK. You’d think if it were only “nostalgia,” I’d also have love for one of the most famous poly synths of all time, but I don’t.
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- Banned
- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
Well, I feel it necessary to say that I am not targeting Warren in particular here. His views are mainly consistent enough with his outset; it is about songwriting, the style of music he makes and being a touring musician etc.
However, I am not driven by goals like these but other interests for the moment, e.g. a synth’s value is not its sound but its sequencing capabilities; whether it has cool trigger conditions and randomization features. Do not care whether it is FM (like my Digitone), Analog (like my Analog Keys) or Rompler/VA based (like my Korg M3 with Karma II technology), so any value of “better” sound would not make a difference here. I can get something I like from most engines, so sound is secondary in my context.
As far as Boog/minimoog concerns, which I bought before my new agenda, I actually expected to finally conclude that the minimoog fever is mainly hype. However, I was surprised to find that its three fat OSCs could deliver my favorite bass sounds exactly the way I wanted them. Still, it was not in such a shimmering magical way that I believe similar patches from Bass Station 2 could be distinguished to any significance in a mix. Thus, I admit I find the Boog’s sound very yummy, but not to an extent where its lack of patch recall is preferable to making the same type of sounds in synths with recall. Pragmatics rule after all.
For these reasons, any debate that instantly targets synths’ osc, filters, envelopes etc. in discussions of value do not fit with my goals. So how am I expected to care?
However, it is still informative to learn why other people are still into the same old osc-filter story for their particular reasons (or at least why they think they are).
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- Banned
- 3946 posts since 25 Jan, 2009
Ahh man..
In fewer words: I do not need generalizations that imply the whole planet to find people's reasons for preferring this or that informative. And stupid/illogical/false reasons are just as informative as clever ones fwiw. Neither do I find myself obliged to generalize my own reasons to add value to them.
In fewer words: I do not need generalizations that imply the whole planet to find people's reasons for preferring this or that informative. And stupid/illogical/false reasons are just as informative as clever ones fwiw. Neither do I find myself obliged to generalize my own reasons to add value to them.
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- KVRAF
- 3508 posts since 12 May, 2011
- KVRAF
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Joke all you want. The sad truth is, THAT'S KVR. Somebody has an opinion that somebody else doesn't agree with and they're made to feel like the stupidest thing on the planet.
Really makes me wonder why anybody bothers staying around here for more than a few weeks before getting tired of it.
Maybe we're ALL idiots.
Really makes me wonder why anybody bothers staying around here for more than a few weeks before getting tired of it.
Maybe we're ALL idiots.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105553 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRAF
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
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- addled muppet weed
- 105553 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass