KVR Audio

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:43 am

Does she cook? I'm more of a pork kinda guy but I do love a good barbecued lamb chop.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:51 am

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 pm

Haven’t read the thread and do not know if the OP’s question is still relevant or ever was, but shouldn’t the title rather have been

“Why use emulations of classic analogue synths, when you can buy clones almost as cheaply from Behringer?”

Apart from “But I make music on the run on my lappy”, what is not to like?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:33 pm

Throughout 2017 I made music on mine largely in the public library.
What is not to like about having hardware? Dusting, for starters.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:09 am

IncarnateX wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 pm“Why use emulations of classic analogue synths, when you can buy clones almost as cheaply from Behringer?”

Really? Behringer are doing an ARP Odyssey emulation for close to $69? Because that's all I paid for Korg's VSTi. And yesterday I paid $100 for both a Prophet V and Pro One emulation in a single package. Are Behringer going to come close to that? Even their Model D is four times the price of The Legend.

Apart from “But I make music on the run on my lappy”, what is not to like?

Space. Stands. Power boards. PSUs. Cables. Dust covers. Road cases. Repairs. That's eight, would you like some more?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:29 am

@Bones

I would never go back to hardware with a gun pointed at my head.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 4:38 am

I have more now than I've had in decades. I never use it when we are recording, so you won't hear it on anything we release, but I still find it a lot of fun to muck around with, in a way that I don't with softsynths. I also still prefer to use hardware on stage, mostly so ti looks like we might know what we're doing (an illusion that is shattered when the first note plays and I miss my cue by half a beat). I particularly enjoy playing around with little modules - Uno, Micromonsta and Pulse 2, more than I enjoy the Ultranova or Analog Keys. It's a very different experience when it's right in front of you and you don't have to reach across to the controls or anything like that. I usually take the keyboard off my PC and sit the boxes right in front of me and I can still start the sequencer if I want/need to or play the Roli.

Russell Grand · Post by **Russell Grand** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 6:30 am

sinemotor wrote: ↑Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:38 pm Nostalgia is what triggers my creativity. I can't think of making music without carrying a nostalgic feel, I don't know... It's just the nature of nostalgia that is working so well in music. It's ambivalent, it reminds your good memories and it's like half happiness and half sadness. That's pretty beautiful to create music which bring those sentiments at the same time, no?

Wow, 100% this^. I couldn't have said it better.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:48 pm

BONES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:09 am
IncarnateX wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 pm“Why use emulations of classic analogue synths, when you can buy clones almost as cheaply from Behringer?”
Really? Behringer are doing an ARP Odyssey emulation for close to $69? Because that's all I paid for Korg's VSTi. And yesterday I paid $100 for both a Prophet V and Pro One emulation in a single package. Are Behringer going to come close to that? Even their Model D is four times the price of The Legend.
Apart from “But I make music on the run on my lappy”, what is not to like?
Space. Stands. Power boards. PSUs. Cables. Dust covers. Road cases. Repairs. That's eight, would you like some more?

you forgot patch recall

let's add polyphony for an even 10.

as you (royal you, not bones in particular) know, i love my hw, but i can think of many reasons why people would choose itb.
just because hardware is being made cheap now is no reason to switch to hardware. unless the only thing stopping you previously was indeed the cost.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:50 pm

pretty sure running 10 prophet Vs in parallel would be expensive

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:51 pm

need a lot of plug sockets too

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:55 pm

Actually, may as well run a hybrid setup with analog hardware which you can sample and then use those samples to get as many instances as you want. It is simply no longer the case that it is hugely expensive. A Behringer Model D, for example, is below £300. The analog world is nuts right now.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:37 pm

vurt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:48 pm
BONES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:09 am
IncarnateX wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 pm“Why use emulations of classic analogue synths, when you can buy clones almost as cheaply from Behringer?”
Really? Behringer are doing an ARP Odyssey emulation for close to $69? Because that's all I paid for Korg's VSTi. And yesterday I paid $100 for both a Prophet V and Pro One emulation in a single package. Are Behringer going to come close to that? Even their Model D is four times the price of The Legend.
Apart from “But I make music on the run on my lappy”, what is not to like?
Space. Stands. Power boards. PSUs. Cables. Dust covers. Road cases. Repairs. That's eight, would you like some more?
you forgot patch recall
let's add polyphony for an even 10.

To both of you: All that may be true, but at least the argument for using emulations cannot “because of the sound” unless you argue that the emulations actually sound better than the clones or the orginals. Sure, there may be the usual reasons for going software in contrast to hardware, but it can hardly the the sound that tip the balance when it comes to emulations then. At least that would be an argument not often heard, though I remember some claim it about DIVA.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:40 pm

A lot of people think there are things which cannot be improved on which IME don't have all that much going for them in the original hardware, OTOH. >cough> Roland...

I have exactly the one, an emulation first of the Minimoog (which I have countless hours with for real) and it has additional filters. Which may well be an improvement in terms of an instrument. You can bring in the problems if you're nostalgic, oscillator drift for one, or you can...
I automate it, host automation if not CC which means something. Recall in projects. There is nothing superior about the hardware unless you believe in knobs twirling as a must. Yes, it's integrated while your controller isn't. I'm not a performer today. I've used one live, if that's it, you're done, I get that.

I personally think this <hardware rules ok> bit is like religion for a lot of people.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:54 pm

IncarnateX wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:37 pm
vurt wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:48 pm
BONES wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:09 am
IncarnateX wrote: ↑Sun Feb 10, 2019 4:04 pm“Why use emulations of classic analogue synths, when you can buy clones almost as cheaply from Behringer?”
Really? Behringer are doing an ARP Odyssey emulation for close to $69? Because that's all I paid for Korg's VSTi. And yesterday I paid $100 for both a Prophet V and Pro One emulation in a single package. Are Behringer going to come close to that? Even their Model D is four times the price of The Legend.
Apart from “But I make music on the run on my lappy”, what is not to like?
Space. Stands. Power boards. PSUs. Cables. Dust covers. Road cases. Repairs. That's eight, would you like some more?
you forgot patch recall
let's add polyphony for an even 10.

To both of you: All that may be true, but at least the argument for using emulations cannot “because of the sound” unless you argue that the emulations actually sound better than the clones or the orginals. Sure, there may be the usual reasons for going software in contrast to hardware, but it can hardly the the sound that tip the balance when it comes to emulations then. At least that would be an argument not often heard, though I remember some claim it about DIVA.

im not arguing anything.
just pointing out, that there could be many reasons why someone would choose software over hardware.
and unless cost was the only prohibitor previously, i don't see why cheaper hardware would make a difference?

Why use emulations of classic analogue synths---is it just nostalgia?...