Then I can explain it to you. I only dabble with music in my spare time som that is usually a week weeks around christmas, some around easter, some months in the summer and a few weeks in the autumn. Subscribing to soundsonline.com is perfect for me. I pay 20 bucks for a month and can use anything I like and after that I stop subscribing until next time. They have tons on stuff there each costing like 300. If I would have to buy them I could only afford like one every other year. But, their cloud solution is not cloud computing so I download the VSTs and dont have to rely on their online performance. I can see that worry some people since I am also very used to using Microsoft Azure which is sometimes great and i some aspects a bit of a snail. Also a subscribtion service or rent to pay makes it possible for you to really testdrive stuff and not have to dive headfirst in and discover it was crap and that you just lost a ton of money.Spitfire31 wrote:@signalrecords: that video was a cruel head shot to Vocaloid!
I have to go back to the Lucy beta, now that the server problems seem to be a thing of the past.
I agree about subscriptions. They're OK for a newspaper that you read every morning and generally for services that you use frequently and regularly. But for a jack-of-all-trades person like myself (videographer and editor, writer, photographer, occasional songwriter, etc.), a sub is a deal killer, unless it can be adapted to the individual. If I spend, say, two weeks working on a song, and then travel for two months shooting video and then editing – you can see that a sub would be the worst solution imaginable. For me, splashing out the entrance ticket in one go would be much preferable.
/Joachim
Emvoice One Beta - new vocal synth
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- KVRist
- 424 posts since 28 Dec, 2017
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- KVRist
- 424 posts since 28 Dec, 2017
I will never ever pay 100+ upfront unless you offer something like a 2 weeks free trial period or a good license transfer policy. From this point onwards I am only buying supercheap stuff, short subscriptions or stuff I can resell if they turn out crap.rodyy wrote: As for pricing, we understand that lots of users are reluctant to pay $200 upfront for a cloud-based instrument, especially from a new company. So we'll offer our voices either in a pure subscription model (monthly fee), or a rent-to-own model, I'm not sure yet.
And we don't have plans to let users create their own voices yet.
Hope you add user voices in the future. That would make this a better product than Vocaloid for me.
- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
first, most plugins have demos. second, you're obviously not the typical music-maker if you only dabble. third, most plugins don't fit the subscription model, so you buy them... or you don't.GearNostalgia wrote: Then I can explain it to you. I only dabble with music in my spare time som that is usually a week weeks around christmas, some around easter, some months in the summer and a few weeks in the autumn. Subscribing to soundsonline.com is perfect for me. I pay 20 bucks for a month and can use anything I like and after that I stop subscribing until next time. They have tons on stuff there each costing like 300. If I would have to buy them I could only afford like one every other year. But, their cloud solution is not cloud computing so I download the VSTs and dont have to rely on their online performance. I can see that worry some people since I am also very used to using Microsoft Azure which is sometimes great and i some aspects a bit of a snail. Also a subscribtion service or rent to pay makes it possible for you to really testdrive stuff and not have to dive headfirst in and discover it was crap and that you just lost a ton of money.
why people think that a product should be geared to their specific needs, and not understand that there's a bigger picture is... amazing, really.
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- KVRist
- 105 posts since 13 Jan, 2009 from Pontevedra, Spain
Hey!, I did some Vocaloid covers in different languages with more or less success, you can judge yourself the results in my youtube channel. Some of my favourites:Spitfire31 wrote:Hi Wag! Thought you'd left the room since you're not interested in Emvoice.wagtunes wrote:LMAO. If you think that Emvoice is light years ahead of Vocaloid, you need to get your ears checked, seriously.
Your test is laughable at best and insulting at worst. You don't own Vocaloid so you have absolutely NO idea what it's capable of.
But since you seem to be the Vocaloid expert around here, why not show us a sample of what Vocaloid is really capable of, using that same little ABC snippet?
I'm not being ironic – I've never tried Vocaloid but I am in the market for a state-of-the-art voice program, for working mock-ups mostly.
/Joachim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QWWJdhN-uE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijRGHuNj7U
The ABC vid comparison is fair enough to check the engine default naturalness of the voices out of the box. Vocaloid sounds flat where EmVoice has more natural pitch transitions. Lucy has a mature timbre and the Vocaloid sample is more childish (comparison is not about timbre). In sound quality Emvoice is the winner for me here.
As user I have to say that Vocaloid engine is good but the editor is poorly designed. There is not enough tools to edit what you need.
Few days ago a new singing synth, Synthesizer V, was released for free and includes an childish english voice bank. I tried it and I can say that the editor is brilliant and easy to use, you have control on any aspect to scult the sound of each syllabe or word. I you can do it fast. I did a test with it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NNRC6 ... 9Cdd3UuxUL
Can't wait to test Emvoice Lucy!
Making bits singing at http://thevocaloidmaster.tumblr.com/
- KVRAF
- 21195 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
You're comparing an old Vocaloid engine with old horrible sounding Vocaloid voices to Emvoice. Not exactly a fair comparison.Jaleo wrote:Hey!, I did some Vocaloid covers in different languages with more or less success, you can judge yourself the results in my youtube channel. Some of my favourites:Spitfire31 wrote:Hi Wag! Thought you'd left the room since you're not interested in Emvoice.wagtunes wrote:LMAO. If you think that Emvoice is light years ahead of Vocaloid, you need to get your ears checked, seriously.
Your test is laughable at best and insulting at worst. You don't own Vocaloid so you have absolutely NO idea what it's capable of.
But since you seem to be the Vocaloid expert around here, why not show us a sample of what Vocaloid is really capable of, using that same little ABC snippet?
I'm not being ironic – I've never tried Vocaloid but I am in the market for a state-of-the-art voice program, for working mock-ups mostly.
/Joachim
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QWWJdhN-uE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijRGHuNj7U
The ABC vid comparison is fair enough to check the engine default naturalness of the voices out of the box. Vocaloid sounds flat where EmVoice has more natural pitch transitions. Lucy has a mature timbre and the Vocaloid sample is more childish (comparison is not about timbre). In sound quality Emvoice is the winner for me here.
As user I have to say that Vocaloid engine is good but the editor is poorly designed. There is not enough tools to edit what you need.
Few days ago a new singing synth, Synthesizer V, was released for free and includes an childish english voice bank. I tried it and I can say that the editor is brilliant and easy to use, you have control on any aspect to scult the sound of each syllabe or word. I you can do it fast. I did a test with it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NNRC6 ... 9Cdd3UuxUL
Can't wait to test Emvoice Lucy!
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- KVRist
- 105 posts since 13 Jan, 2009 from Pontevedra, Spain
I'm vocaloid 5 user too, and for me it's worst to use than any previous version. The big Vocaloid problem is the interface, the editor itself, not the engine capabilities. Overstating, it's like Photoshop with MS Paint interface, good look making something.
Coming back to the ABC video: doesn't matter for me the voice choosen for the comparison, it's the output naturalness, how sound flow along time, IMHO. I presume Emvoice has a pitch model implemented.
Maybe anyone or yourself can enlight us making a fair comparison.
Coming back to the ABC video: doesn't matter for me the voice choosen for the comparison, it's the output naturalness, how sound flow along time, IMHO. I presume Emvoice has a pitch model implemented.
Maybe anyone or yourself can enlight us making a fair comparison.
Making bits singing at http://thevocaloidmaster.tumblr.com/
- KVRist
- 47 posts since 20 Jul, 2016 from Tangerang, Indonesia
For a 2007 voicebank that doesn't even have triphone support, Sweet Ann sure held her own there! But still, she literally has less features than Emvoice and you can't even use her in Vocaloid 5 anymore without hacking, so she's not exactly a proper representation of Vocaloid 5.Jaleo wrote: Hey!, I did some Vocaloid covers in different languages with more or less success, you can judge yourself the results in my youtube channel. Some of my favourites:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QWWJdhN-uE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijRGHuNj7U
The ABC vid comparison is fair enough to check the engine default naturalness of the voices out of the box. Vocaloid sounds flat where EmVoice has more natural pitch transitions. Lucy has a mature timbre and the Vocaloid sample is more childish (comparison is not about timbre). In sound quality Emvoice is the winner for me here.
As user I have to say that Vocaloid engine is good but the editor is poorly designed. There is not enough tools to edit what you need.
Few days ago a new singing synth, Synthesizer V, was released for free and includes an childish english voice bank. I tried it and I can say that the editor is brilliant and easy to use, you have control on any aspect to sculpt the sound of each syllabe or word. I you can do it fast. I did a test with it:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1NNRC6 ... 9Cdd3UuxUL
Can't wait to test Emvoice Lucy!
As for ONA, as she's actually just a Catalan reskin of MAIKA who although was originally made for Spanish has a bunch of extra phonemes specifically designed to do other languages like English/Japanese and is still regarded as one of the best western voicebanks period, so she's fine.
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- KVRist
- 105 posts since 13 Jan, 2009 from Pontevedra, Spain
Ok, I did the ABC test in Vocaloid 5 editor using the following banks I own:
Amy - English, female voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Chris - English, male voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Maika - Spanish, female voice for Vocaloid 3, imported in Vocaloid 5
As bonus, same test done with Synthesizer V.
Listen here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JU5Ea ... aSRbLtmZGC
The comparison is fair in the sense that it's what you get out of the box.
Amy - English, female voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Chris - English, male voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Maika - Spanish, female voice for Vocaloid 3, imported in Vocaloid 5
As bonus, same test done with Synthesizer V.
Listen here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JU5Ea ... aSRbLtmZGC
The comparison is fair in the sense that it's what you get out of the box.
Making bits singing at http://thevocaloidmaster.tumblr.com/
- KVRAF
- 21195 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Okay, gonna ask. Has ANYBODY done a full vocal and instrumental track with Emvoice yet so we can hear what it can actually do? Anybody?
- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
maika is perhaps cousin to synthesizer V's voice? (which i prefer, btw). for me, they're ALL best used as an 'android' voice, and none ready to replace a real singer.Jaleo wrote:Ok, I did the ABC test in Vocaloid 5 editor using the following banks I own:
Amy - English, female voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Chris - English, male voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Maika - Spanish, female voice for Vocaloid 3, imported in Vocaloid 5
As bonus, same test done with Synthesizer V.
Listen here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JU5Ea ... aSRbLtmZGC
The comparison is fair in the sense that it's what you get out of the box.
- KVRAF
- 21195 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Amy and Chris were obviously rushed out by Yamaha in order to get the product out. They both suck compared to some earlier Vocaloid voices such as Cyber Songman, and Avanna. Shame on Yamaha for the half ass job they did on V5.fisherKing wrote:maika is perhaps cousin to synthesizer V's voice? (which i prefer, btw). for me, they're ALL best used as an 'android' voice, and none ready to replace a real singer.Jaleo wrote:Ok, I did the ABC test in Vocaloid 5 editor using the following banks I own:
Amy - English, female voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Chris - English, male voice, packed with Vocaloid 5
Maika - Spanish, female voice for Vocaloid 3, imported in Vocaloid 5
As bonus, same test done with Synthesizer V.
Listen here: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1JU5Ea ... aSRbLtmZGC
The comparison is fair in the sense that it's what you get out of the box.
Maika is just an old V3 bank and always sucked.
So yeah, taking just the above into account, I agree with you 100% and I wouldn't even use them for Android voices. Disgraceful.
But Vocaloid HAS put out better. Human quality better? No. And that's never happening. But better than this and better than Emvoice and Synthesizer V.
The day of amazing synth vocals is probably long after I am dead and gone, if ever.
- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
just a quick demo with emvoice one...
https://soundcloud.com/upstatebrooklyn/lucytest/s-ceDki
https://soundcloud.com/upstatebrooklyn/lucytest/s-ceDki
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- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
never say never. when AI finally meets up with a vocal-simulation plugin, we should have amazing voices to play with. the tech keeps advancing, so... might be sooner than you think.wagtunes wrote:The day of amazing synth vocals is probably long after I am dead and gone, if ever.
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el-bo (formerly ebow) el-bo (formerly ebow) https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=208007
- KVRAF
- 16369 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
Wait! You mean there's a Vocaloid competitor that one can understand, without needing a copy of the lyrics?fisherKing wrote:just a quick demo with emvoice one...
https://soundcloud.com/upstatebrooklyn/lucytest
Much smoother than V. Better phrasing than V. Better diction than V.
- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
wait, are you saying you understand what she means? or just the words she's saying (because i have no idea what she means)....el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:Wait! You mean there's a Vocaloid competitor that one can understand, without needing a copy of the lyrics?fisherKing wrote:just a quick demo with emvoice one...
https://soundcloud.com/upstatebrooklyn/lucytest
Much smoother than V. Better phrasing than V. Better diction than V.