Emvoice One Beta - new vocal synth
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 66 posts since 9 Mar, 2015 from Bangkok
After a suggestion from baggagelizard I decided to open this thread - hoping to discuss what you guys are expecting from a "generic" vocal synth like Emvoice One - as opposed to other vocal synths that have a more specific, signature sound, like Vocaloid or Plogue Alter/Ego. Full disclosure: I’m the CEO of Emvoice.
We’re going to release our public beta on August 15th for Mac only, The PC version should be ready for beta in about 3 months. Here is what Lucy, our first voice, sounds like.
https://youtu.be/I2qsG30XVdk
https://youtu.be/OPcwE9a3oHQ
Emvoice One was born of my dreams (and my frustrations) as a music producer. It's a labor of love Hope you all enjoy using it. We'll offer other voices more suited to EDM/Pop and gradually cover every need and genre. And one day, we hope to put a whole ensemble of voices at your fingertips. A "ludicrous" mode with 80 real/fake singers gathered in a stadium..
We’re going to release our public beta on August 15th for Mac only, The PC version should be ready for beta in about 3 months. Here is what Lucy, our first voice, sounds like.
https://youtu.be/I2qsG30XVdk
https://youtu.be/OPcwE9a3oHQ
Emvoice One was born of my dreams (and my frustrations) as a music producer. It's a labor of love Hope you all enjoy using it. We'll offer other voices more suited to EDM/Pop and gradually cover every need and genre. And one day, we hope to put a whole ensemble of voices at your fingertips. A "ludicrous" mode with 80 real/fake singers gathered in a stadium..
Express Yourself.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35163 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
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- KVRist
- 158 posts since 29 Sep, 2015
Public beta now open at https://emvoiceapp.com/
Mac AU only for now, requires signing up for account.
Mac AU only for now, requires signing up for account.
- KVRAF
- 9576 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
Sounds better than Vocaloid
Amazon: why not use an alternative
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- KVRAF
- 3231 posts since 18 May, 2003 from Sweden
On the bright side: Lucy's voice, even at this early stage when her phonems and range are apparently being tweaked, is on a new quality level completely – real sounding and sensual. Huge promise for the future of emvoice!
On the less bright side…
I'm on OS 10.12.6, MB Pro, 16GB RAM with a 125mb/s fibre connection, and I'm testing (trying to test…) Lucy on Logic Pro X 10.4.1 and Live 10.0.3 (beta). The main hurdle is the fact that even the smallest edit, like moving a note/phrase an interval up or down, will take anything between 5 and up to 45 (yes, forty five!) seconds before I can hear what I've done.
Emvoice is cloud based, so I assume that all the critical number crunching is done on the online server which then downloads the audio to the AU plug-in in the background. Perhaps the cloud based structure also makes it more difficult for bad guys to reverse engineer Lucy?
Whatever, these absurd delays kill any sort of interactive editing and tweaking. In order for Lucy to become an inviting voice solution, Emvoice will have to massively upgrade this whole server foundation to Amazon-like industrial strength, so that at the most 1–2 seconds of delay between edit and playback is guaranteed.
There are, of course, other glitches but, as Lucy works now on my system, any alpha, sorry, beta testing is pointless. Unfortunately, because I'm already in love with Lucy and her potential!
/Joachim
On the less bright side…
I'm on OS 10.12.6, MB Pro, 16GB RAM with a 125mb/s fibre connection, and I'm testing (trying to test…) Lucy on Logic Pro X 10.4.1 and Live 10.0.3 (beta). The main hurdle is the fact that even the smallest edit, like moving a note/phrase an interval up or down, will take anything between 5 and up to 45 (yes, forty five!) seconds before I can hear what I've done.
Emvoice is cloud based, so I assume that all the critical number crunching is done on the online server which then downloads the audio to the AU plug-in in the background. Perhaps the cloud based structure also makes it more difficult for bad guys to reverse engineer Lucy?
Whatever, these absurd delays kill any sort of interactive editing and tweaking. In order for Lucy to become an inviting voice solution, Emvoice will have to massively upgrade this whole server foundation to Amazon-like industrial strength, so that at the most 1–2 seconds of delay between edit and playback is guaranteed.
There are, of course, other glitches but, as Lucy works now on my system, any alpha, sorry, beta testing is pointless. Unfortunately, because I'm already in love with Lucy and her potential!
/Joachim
If it were easy, anybody could do it!
- KVRAF
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
If this is indeed the case then this isn't even remotely an alternative to Vocaloid.Spitfire31 wrote:On the bright side: Lucy's voice, even at this early stage when her phonems and range are apparently being tweaked, is on a new quality level completely – real sounding and sensual. Huge promise for the future of emvoice!
On the less bright side…
I'm on OS 10.12.6, MB Pro, 16GB RAM with a 125mb/s fibre connection, and I'm testing (trying to test…) Lucy on Logic Pro X 10.4.1 and Live 10.0.3 (beta). The main hurdle is the fact that even the smallest edit, like moving a note/phrase an interval up or down, will take anything between 5 and up to 45 (yes, forty five!) seconds before I can hear what I've done.
Emvoice is cloud based, so I assume that all the critical number crunching is done on the online server which then downloads the audio to the AU plug-in in the background. Perhaps the cloud based structure also makes it more difficult for bad guys to reverse engineer Lucy?
Whatever, these absurd delays kill any sort of interactive editing and tweaking. In order for Lucy to become an inviting voice solution, Emvoice will have to massively upgrade this whole server foundation to Amazon-like industrial strength, so that at the most 1–2 seconds of delay between edit and playback is guaranteed.
There are, of course, other glitches but, as Lucy works now on my system, any alpha, sorry, beta testing is pointless. Unfortunately, because I'm already in love with Lucy and her potential!
/Joachim
Shame. Oh well. Such is life.
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el-bo (formerly ebow) el-bo (formerly ebow) https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=208007
- KVRAF
- 16369 posts since 24 May, 2009 from A galaxy, far far away
Yeah! The minute I first heard the demo, it was clear that this was the voice and expression capabilities were on another level compared to what is currently available. However, even though I have more than double your internet speed (same spec's), I am really reluctant to even bother trying thisSpitfire31 wrote:On the bright side: Lucy's voice, even at this early stage when her phonems and range are apparently being tweaked, is on a new quality level completely – real sounding and sensual. Huge promise for the future of emvoice!
On the less bright side…
I'm on OS 10.12.6, MB Pro, 16GB RAM with a 125mb/s fibre connection, and I'm testing (trying to test…) Lucy on Logic Pro X 10.4.1 and Live 10.0.3 (beta). The main hurdle is the fact that even the smallest edit, like moving a note/phrase an interval up or down, will take anything between 5 and up to 45 (yes, forty five!) seconds before I can hear what I've done.
Emvoice is cloud based, so I assume that all the critical number crunching is done on the online server which then downloads the audio to the AU plug-in in the background. Perhaps the cloud based structure also makes it more difficult for bad guys to reverse engineer Lucy?
Whatever, these absurd delays kill any sort of interactive editing and tweaking. In order for Lucy to become an inviting voice solution, Emvoice will have to massively upgrade this whole server foundation to Amazon-like industrial strength, so that at the most 1–2 seconds of delay between edit and playback is guaranteed.
There are, of course, other glitches but, as Lucy works now on my system, any alpha, sorry, beta testing is pointless. Unfortunately, because I'm already in love with Lucy and her potential!
/Joachim
As for re-engineering? Maybe it will be the equivalent of the Bannister 4-minute mile i.e Everybody thought it was impossible until one guy broke it. Then every mother-lover, and their dog, could replicate the feat
- KVRAF
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Okay, I listened to the demo. While the diction is slightly improved, it's still one dimensional just like Vocaloid. It still totally lacks that "human" sound that comes from all the variations one can do with their own voice.
So for me, IMO, even without the long delay times with processing, there isn't enough of an improvement to justify the cost of getting it.
When somebody comes out with a vocal synth that can do all the vocal inflections of a Rod Stewart or a Bruce Springsteen, then I'll be interested. Right now, this is a marginal improvement, sound wise, over Vocaloid. The processing delays make this a non starter.
So for me, IMO, even without the long delay times with processing, there isn't enough of an improvement to justify the cost of getting it.
When somebody comes out with a vocal synth that can do all the vocal inflections of a Rod Stewart or a Bruce Springsteen, then I'll be interested. Right now, this is a marginal improvement, sound wise, over Vocaloid. The processing delays make this a non starter.
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- KVRist
- 158 posts since 29 Sep, 2015
Thanks for the review. I'm PC, so was curious as to how their setup works.Spitfire31 wrote:On the bright side: Lucy's voice, even at this early stage when her phonems and range are apparently being tweaked, is on a new quality level completely – real sounding and sensual. Huge promise for the future of emvoice!
On the less bright side…
I'm on OS 10.12.6, MB Pro, 16GB RAM with a 125mb/s fibre connection, and I'm testing (trying to test…) Lucy on Logic Pro X 10.4.1 and Live 10.0.3 (beta). The main hurdle is the fact that even the smallest edit, like moving a note/phrase an interval up or down, will take anything between 5 and up to 45 (yes, forty five!) seconds before I can hear what I've done.
Emvoice is cloud based, so I assume that all the critical number crunching is done on the online server which then downloads the audio to the AU plug-in in the background. Perhaps the cloud based structure also makes it more difficult for bad guys to reverse engineer Lucy?
Whatever, these absurd delays kill any sort of interactive editing and tweaking. In order for Lucy to become an inviting voice solution, Emvoice will have to massively upgrade this whole server foundation to Amazon-like industrial strength, so that at the most 1–2 seconds of delay between edit and playback is guaranteed.
There are, of course, other glitches but, as Lucy works now on my system, any alpha, sorry, beta testing is pointless. Unfortunately, because I'm already in love with Lucy and her potential!
/Joachim
Totally understandable why they'd go for cloud-based, but no local installation is a huge disincentive for me It sounds so promising!
This year has been kind of amazing for vocal synthesis what with so many products debuting so close to each other--Cevio English, Vocaloid5, Emvoice... and next Synthesizer V, which is supposed to get a preview on August 19.
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- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
pretty cool, will explore it this weekend (i just downloaded the beta, and on logic X as well (so i expect it to work!). thanks for this...
- KVRAF
- 3338 posts since 6 Aug, 2009
EDIT: def has potential; requires patience (not something i, uh, have much of), but it SOUNDS good, my first requirement with any plugin. will play with it, but look forward to:fisherKing wrote:pretty cool, will explore it this weekend (i just downloaded the beta, and on logic X as well (so i expect it to work!). thanks for this...
playing a melody on the keyboard.
importing from a text document.
getting lucy's phone#...
- KVRAF
- 2772 posts since 22 May, 2017
Wow, impressive!
I agree with others, this sounds so much better than Vocaloid!
I agree with others, this sounds so much better than Vocaloid!
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- KVRist
- 424 posts since 28 Dec, 2017
Sounds promising. I don't have objections to a cloud model if it brings a rent model where I can pay for the actual time I use it, and of course if the performance is decent. 45 seconds rendering for each small edit will kill it. And of course for me I must have a PC version.
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- KVRAF
- 4867 posts since 18 Dec, 2000