Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

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Teksonik
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Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:41 am

Teksonik wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:14 am
KVR has devolved into one "what's your favorite" or "this versus that thread" after another.
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Unaspected
KVRian
990 posts since 4 May, 2012

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:43 am

Goony wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:15 am
Auplant wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:21 am
omiroad wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 3:01 am
It's an incorrect definition of oversampling, no matter the context.
How else would you describe oversampling to a casual reader without forcing DSP terminology on them? I doubt the average reader would even care that much.
The average reader does care when someone is clearly making things up. Guessing!! He is having a laugh.
I think he's muddling up oversampling with interpolation.

Auplant
KVRist
329 posts since 21 Mar, 2015

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:28 am

give me the Tone2 synth, I have no more free USB ports :lol:

Vertion
KVRian
616 posts since 29 Oct, 2016

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:30 am

Oscillators: Trueno has real analog oscillators, whereas I2 has the top-of-the-line HQ wavetable oscillators. Can I2 sound just as analog as Trueno? With matched or superior quality? Does oversampling make it possible? Does Trueno's DAC degrade it's own sound quality, or does it still sound higher in quality due to it's analog circuits?

Filters:
Trueno has an authentic filter, however Tone2 is well known for their high quality filters. It's developer is famous for that, even going back to reFx Vanguard, his filters are amazing. I2 has the best Tone2 filters, but can they compete with Trueno's real analog filters?

Effects:
Both Trueno and I2 use software effects, however I2 has better quality and a far greater selection.

DRM:
Trueno needs no DRM (but it is technical equivalent of a dongle) and Tone2 I2 only uses a serial keyfile.

Physicality:
If Trueno breaks, you up a creek without a paddle. Only one instance at a time. Whereas I2 can be saved on an external hd and installed everywhere, and of course, can load as many instances as your machine allows. However Trueno is portable and can replace other inexpensive hardware synths.
:) SLH :)

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Igro
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4123 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:56 am

Do tone 2 syths still have terribe decay and release envelopes, that end abruptly? This was the case with all their synts. Has this been fixed? If not, why even make such a comparison?

Markus Krause
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107 posts since 2 Jul, 2018

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:36 am

The problem you refer to did only affect Gladiator and has been fixed long ago in a free update. It was not audible under normal conditions and no single other user except you complained about it.
Try harder next time... :roll:

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Igro
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4123 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:39 am

Electra, Rayblaster and so on. They all have this issue. Try harder to fix this. Tone2 synths are the ony one suffering from this...

chk071
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21852 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:47 am

Oh not again this shit... :D

I remember i posted some screenshots from Electra2 about it. Don't even remember how it turned out, back then.

Caine123
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5912 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:54 am

Well if something like this is true why not post proof.... then the devs can check it out. My old issue was also fixed but i can understand devs when people just post something without any proof. Screens, videos and or sound examples. All possible with the internet era...
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perfumer
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507 posts since 4 Oct, 2018

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:00 am

Caine123 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:54 am
proof. Screens, videos and or sound examples.
+1

Come on, Igro, you're making a bold statement. Back it up!

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exmatproton
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2523 posts since 25 Apr, 2011

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:04 am

Igro wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:39 am
Electra, Rayblaster and so on. They all have this issue. Try harder to fix this. Tone2 synths are the ony one suffering from this...
i don't find them that bad at all, compared to other (totl) synths. Best envelope award still goes to Spire (imho), but T2 synths aren't buggy in the env. section at all

chk071
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21852 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:50 am

perfumer wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:00 am
Caine123 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:54 am
proof. Screens, videos and or sound examples.
+1

Come on, Igro, you're making a bold statement. Back it up!
If you care for some counter proof, here's 2 pictures of Icarus, from the amp decay and release stage, each set to about 2 seconds.

Amp decay:
Icarus_amp_decay_2sec.jpg
Amp release:
Icarus_amp_release_2sec.jpg
Nothing out of the ordinary there, IMO. I think Igro just has a pretty rusty axe to grind.
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Igro
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4123 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:01 am

I just cheked in Saurus and Icarus 1.6. And it was indeed improved (the cut is now around -76db. It was not the case before). The last time I checked (when these two synths were just released) the decay had a steep cut at the end. So here I must take my words back (take it as apologise). However, Pigments, for instance, has a smother ending. But it it good to see that some work has been performed considering the issue.

chk071
KVRAF
21852 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:07 am

I remember the original discussion now. I didn't remember that i had to increase the resolution/amplitude to check. But, if you say that it's alright now, then i take it. :) Surely sounds alright now to me.

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BONES
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Re: Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

Post Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:21 pm

Let's not forget that Icarus is twice the price of Trueno so it needs to offer a lot more. The other thing is that I already have half-a-dozen VSTi like Icarus, all of which were cheaper, I didn't really have anything like Trueno until I bought it.
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