Teksonik wrote:Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:14 pm KVR has devolved into one "what's your favorite" or "this versus that thread" after another.
Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog
- KVRAF
- 18561 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA
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- KVRAF
- 3089 posts since 4 May, 2012
I think he's muddling up oversampling with interpolation.Goony wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 12:15 pmThe average reader does care when someone is clearly making things up. Guessing!! He is having a laugh.
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- Topic Starter
- 697 posts since 29 Oct, 2016
Oscillators: Trueno has real analog oscillators, whereas I2 has the top-of-the-line HQ wavetable oscillators. Can I2 sound just as analog as Trueno? With matched or superior quality? Does oversampling make it possible? Does Trueno's DAC degrade it's own sound quality, or does it still sound higher in quality due to it's analog circuits?
Filters:
Trueno has an authentic filter, however Tone2 is well known for their high quality filters. It's developer is famous for that, even going back to reFx Vanguard, his filters are amazing. I2 has the best Tone2 filters, but can they compete with Trueno's real analog filters?
Effects:
Both Trueno and I2 use software effects, however I2 has better quality and a far greater selection.
DRM:
Trueno needs no DRM (but it is technical equivalent of a dongle) and Tone2 I2 only uses a serial keyfile.
Physicality:
If Trueno breaks, you up a creek without a paddle. Only one instance at a time. Whereas I2 can be saved on an external hd and installed everywhere, and of course, can load as many instances as your machine allows. However Trueno is portable and can replace other inexpensive hardware synths.
Filters:
Trueno has an authentic filter, however Tone2 is well known for their high quality filters. It's developer is famous for that, even going back to reFx Vanguard, his filters are amazing. I2 has the best Tone2 filters, but can they compete with Trueno's real analog filters?
Effects:
Both Trueno and I2 use software effects, however I2 has better quality and a far greater selection.
DRM:
Trueno needs no DRM (but it is technical equivalent of a dongle) and Tone2 I2 only uses a serial keyfile.
Physicality:
If Trueno breaks, you up a creek without a paddle. Only one instance at a time. Whereas I2 can be saved on an external hd and installed everywhere, and of course, can load as many instances as your machine allows. However Trueno is portable and can replace other inexpensive hardware synths.
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- KVRAF
- 4968 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
Do tone 2 syths still have terribe decay and release envelopes, that end abruptly? This was the case with all their synts. Has this been fixed? If not, why even make such a comparison?
- KVRAF
- 1748 posts since 2 Jul, 2018
The problem you refer to did only affect Gladiator and has been fixed long ago in a free update. It was not audible under normal conditions and no single other user except you complained about it.
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- KVRAF
- 8494 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
Well if something like this is true why not post proof.... then the devs can check it out. My old issue was also fixed but i can understand devs when people just post something without any proof. Screens, videos and or sound examples. All possible with the internet era...
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- KVRAF
- 3054 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
i don't find them that bad at all, compared to other (totl) synths. Best envelope award still goes to Spire (imho), but T2 synths aren't buggy in the env. section at all
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
If you care for some counter proof, here's 2 pictures of Icarus, from the amp decay and release stage, each set to about 2 seconds.
Amp decay:
Amp release:
Nothing out of the ordinary there, IMO. I think Igro just has a pretty rusty axe to grind.
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- KVRAF
- 4968 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
I just cheked in Saurus and Icarus 1.6. And it was indeed improved (the cut is now around -76db. It was not the case before). The last time I checked (when these two synths were just released) the decay had a steep cut at the end. So here I must take my words back (take it as apologise). However, Pigments, for instance, has a smother ending. But it it good to see that some work has been performed considering the issue.
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I remember the original discussion now. I didn't remember that i had to increase the resolution/amplitude to check. But, if you say that it's alright now, then i take it. Surely sounds alright now to me.
- GRRRRRRR!
- 15959 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Let's not forget that Icarus is twice the price of Trueno so it needs to offer a lot more. The other thing is that I already have half-a-dozen VSTi like Icarus, all of which were cheaper, I didn't really have anything like Trueno until I bought it.
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