Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

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Vertion
KVRian
616 posts since 29 Oct, 2016

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:09 pm

Due to the ongoing argument on this thread about how Trueno Analog stacks up against soft synths. To put these arguments to the test., I have made the focus of this thread specifically about how Trueno stacks up against the hottest softsynth on the horizon, Tone2 I2, in every way.

Tone2 I2
Markus Krause wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:58 am
It will be relased in Autum/Winter 2019.
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What's new in Icarus2?

The update to v2.0 is 100% downward compatible with all previous versions. All existing song projects and patches can be loaded without any further steps necessary.

New features:

- The interface has been re-designed completely. It is now more intuitive and efficient to use.
- The GUI can be displayed with 8 different sizes
- Added a random-button that generates new patches
- A midi-diode indicates incoming signals
- Added a realtime-display for the frequency-response of the equlalizer
- Arrows indicate modulation-sources which support drag-and-drop
- Addtional knobs for filter-panning
- Hi-dpi support for sharper text, graphs and knob-handles
- Added an optional keyboard which allows to play sounds without midi-input
- The effect-section has been reworked and is more easy-to-use
- Small tiangles indicate hypersaw-spread and the streo-spread in the osc-section
- A triangle indicates the wavetable-index in the oscillator-scetion
- A triangle indicates the morph-value in the oscillator-scetion
- An addtional dry-wet knob allows to change the effect-mix in the main interface
- You can draw shapes by clicking with the right mouse-button onto the the step-lfo display
- Additional on/off buttons for bypassing single effects
- Additional button to reset the patch-settings
- Pitchwheel and modwheel are displayed on the lower left and can be used as drag&drop modulation-source
- There will be a lot more. We will reveal it soon...

Multistage-envelope-generators:

Two MSEGs are available as additional modulation-sources. The MSEGs can be operated as LFO or envelope and allow you to create literally any shape you can imagine.
The MSEGs offer highest precision, support frequencies up into the audio-range and have been designed with the aspect of muscial usefulness.
The MSEGs can be synced to BPM, sync with the arpeggiator or run freely. Triads or dotted rhythms are also supported.
You can define loop-points and start points. Furthermore you can delay or fade the MSEGs.
You can move, add or delete points with your mouse. You can bend lines upwards or downwards to change their shape or even create completely rectangular curves.
The MSEGs can be edited completely freely or you can snap points to a grid of a selectable size. It is also possible to draw triangles, bars or ramps.

Enhancements:

- All oscs, filters, the volume-envelope and the step-lfo are displayed on the main interface and accessible withount switching through tabs
- Icarus_effects, Icarus_arps and Icarus_mseg are now stored in Icarus_data
- The color schemes can be changed without restarting the plug-in
- The arpeggiator is much larger and more intuitive to use
- Many additonal tooltips which explain features
- Reduced latency
- Higher precision rendering
- Key-follow for the oscs can be toggeled without entering the setup-menu
- All matrix parameters are accessible within a single tab
- All effects, the feedback, the ducking and the limiter are acessible within a single tab
- Unused effect-parameters are hidden automatically
- The cutoff-knob is located left from the reso-knob
- The default-parameters for many effects have been fine-tuned for a better sound
- The sound of many reverb-types has been enhanced and offers a more linear frequency-response
- Polyhonic, legato, mono and glide-mode can be selected from the main screen
- More accurate timing for the shuffle
- Many small performance-enhancements
- Many small enhancements for the interface

Sound-enhancements:

- Enhanced sound and more linear frequency-response for 'Reverb Medium' and 'Reverb Big'
- Enhanced sound and more linear frequency-response for 'Delay Dual'
- Enhanced default-parameters for many effects


Summary

The audio engine is able to produce all important synth sounds in high-end quality
The award-winning '3D wavetable synthesis' creates sounds impossible with other synths and reveals a new level of dynamic expression
The re-synthesis allows you to rebuild any sound with a mouse click
Low CPU requirement
Easy to use interface with animated displays and drag&drop modulation
Huge sonic range
Over 1000 presets by pro-designers
Patch browser
Powerful wavetable and spectrum editor
3 x 53 effects, vocoder
Powerful Arpeggiator
10x stereo Hypersaw, unison, stacks, chords, mono, poly, legato...
54 synthesis modes (FM, PWM, formant, phase distort, sync, ...)
Dual multi-mode filter section with 62 filter types and 8 distortion types
Customizable user interface
Expandability, modular

Features

Sound engine with true stereo architecture
3D wavetable synthesis: Waves can be morphed in 3 dimensions
Exclusive sounds, impossible with other synths
High-end sound quality with low CPU requirement
Multicore processor support
Huge sonic range
High flexibility
Patch browser
Wavetable editor
Spectrum editor
Re-synthesis
Over 1000 sounds by professional designers
54 different, combinable synthesis modes
Dual multi-mode filters with 2 x 62 filter types
2 x 8 distortion types
3 x 53 effects, vocoder
10x stereo Hypersaw, unison, stacks
Polyphonic, monophonic, legato
Up to 256 waveforms per wavetable
Unlimited number of wavetables and waveforms
Random generator for wavetables
Midi learn
Easy to use
Animated displays
Context sensitive help
Drag & drop modulation
Very fast envelopes and LFOs
Programmable arpeggiator
Expandability
Customizable user interface
Can import and export samples, waveforms or wavetables in wav format
Standalone version for PC
Flexible preset management
Free support and updates
VS

Trueno
Trueno (from the Spanish for thunder) is a 3 oscillator analogue synthesiser in a USB stick. With the same oscillator circuits found in modular monstrosities and its wild, aggressive filter; Trueno does not compromise on sound quality.

Powerful features such as a built in 24 bit ADC, instant preset recall and automation control allow it to integrate easily into your music production process or performance. By swapping the front panel for full PC/Mac control from a VST/AU plugin or standalone application, we can offer Trueno at a price that can’t be touched by anything with comparable features.

Now you can add the raw, powerful analogue sounds you’ve been craving for the same price as a plugin.

We can’t wait to hear what you’re going to do with it!

3 VCOs
Great oscillators are essential in any analogue synthesiser worth its salt. Trueno has three highly stable digitally controlled VCOs with automatic tuning. Recreate all your favourite sounds and make electrifying new ones with saw, pulse, triangle and noise* waveforms, as well as a powerful digital mode.

AM, PWM & Filter FM
A wealth of modulation options, unheard of in any analogue synthesiser at this price point. Oscillator AM, PWM as well as filter FM. You can even use digital wavetables as a modulation source.

Additive Mode
Edit or create new digital wavetables with the built-in additive editor.

256 Waveforms
Take your analogue sounds to new levels with 256 included digital wavetables; ranging from Steinways to TB303s.

LP/BP VCF
This is something special. The aggressive, screaming resonance can cut through any mix.

24 Bit ADC
The fully integrated 44.1 KHz 24 bit analogue to digital converter captures the synthesiser’s output with perfect clarity. No more noisy, tangled cables.

Digital Modulation and FX
Create complex and evolving sounds with 4 LFOs and 4 Envelope generators. Assign them to parameters quickly and easily by simply dragging and dropping. It’s way better than patch cables.

Crystal clear digital effects add the final sparkle to your sounds. Chorus, phasor, flanger, delay and reverb effects.

VST/AU/Standalone
Trueno fits seamlessly into your existing setup with: Instant preset recall, full automation control, low-latency and cross-platform VST2/VST3/AU Plug-in or standalone control. All controlled by a beautiful user interface, so simple to use, you’ll never want to use presets again.

The world's smallest analogue synthesiser
An aerospace grade aluminium case, precision machined with an exceptional matt finish. Trueno is so tiny you can now fit a complete analogue synthesiser in your wallet.
Last edited by Vertion on Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:32 am, edited 1 time in total.
:) SLH :)

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wagtunes
KVRAF
17184 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:12 pm

I honestly can't tell if this is for real of a spoof or something.

No link?

iosys
KVRist
50 posts since 24 Feb, 2013

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:13 pm

I would love some kind of breakdown of the internal hardware, I may be missing something here but to me this looks like a plugin on a thumb drive

iosys
KVRist
50 posts since 24 Feb, 2013

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:14 pm

wagtunes wrote:I honestly can't tell if this is for real of a spoof or something.

No link?

https://www.kvraudio.com/news/ws-audio- ... iser-39447

Vertion
KVRian
616 posts since 29 Oct, 2016

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:15 pm

wagtunes wrote:I honestly can't tell if this is for real of a spoof or something.

No link?
http://truenosynth.com
:) SLH :)

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Frantz
KVRAF
5178 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:22 pm

I am waiting for someone to do a Trueno emulation plugin. :)

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wagtunes
KVRAF
17184 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:22 pm

Oh well, for me it's a moot point since it currently doesn't run on Windows 7. But it looks interesting. Hardware on a stick that can load into a DAW.

I'm honestly intrigued.

Vertion
KVRian
616 posts since 29 Oct, 2016

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:23 pm

wagtunes wrote:Oh well, for me it's a moot point since it currently doesn't run on Windows 7. But it looks interesting. Hardware on a stick that can load into a DAW.

I'm honestly intrigued.
Demo Song (all Trueno).

http://truenosynth.com/wp-content/uploa ... 20Demo.mp3
:) SLH :)

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wagtunes
KVRAF
17184 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:28 pm

Vertion wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Oh well, for me it's a moot point since it currently doesn't run on Windows 7. But it looks interesting. Hardware on a stick that can load into a DAW.

I'm honestly intrigued.
Demo Song (all Trueno).

http://truenosynth.com/wp-content/uploa ... 20Demo.mp3
Okay, so why can't they make soft synths sound like that?

dark water
KVRian
1226 posts since 2 Jun, 2016

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:32 pm

I'm never convinced by an over-hyped SHOUTY thread title which tries to distance itself from other well-established products, within such an oversaturated hardware synth market.
Yes, it comes on a USB for the not exactly cheap price of £140, but tbh, I'm not hearing anything radically new or different in these demos:
http://truenosynth.com/demos/


Your opening post could have been better constructed too Vertion, with links to your product rather than some irrelevant SC and YT pages (in the tagline section).

REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!
My arse.

Cinebient
KVRAF
4239 posts since 16 Nov, 2014

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:15 pm

wagtunes wrote:
Vertion wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Oh well, for me it's a moot point since it currently doesn't run on Windows 7. But it looks interesting. Hardware on a stick that can load into a DAW.

I'm honestly intrigued.
Demo Song (all Trueno).

http://truenosynth.com/wp-content/uploa ... 20Demo.mp3
Okay, so why can't they make soft synths sound like that?
They can....my opinion. It sounds good but not better than some analog virtual i like to use.

Vertion
KVRian
616 posts since 29 Oct, 2016

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:17 pm

dark water wrote:I'm never convinced by an over-hyped SHOUTY thread title which tries to distance itself from other well-established products, within such an oversaturated hardware synth market.
Yes, it comes on a USB for the not exactly cheap price of £140, but tbh, I'm not hearing anything radically new or different in these demos:
http://truenosynth.com/demos/


Your opening post could have been better constructed too Vertion, with links to your product rather than some irrelevant SC and YT pages (in the tagline section).

REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!
My arse.
I have no idea what you are going on about. I've been waiting for something like this for a long time. I just popped on KVR this morning and found out about this.. then I looked for a thread on it and no one wrote on. I can't even buy it because I'm in America, they are only selling it in Europe. I just want them to sell it here. I'm not a sales guy, but I do see how this threatens soft synth makers quite heavily. How fast they would try to dismiss a product that would quickly destroy their customer base. Thank you for your comment and your position. :)
:) SLH :)

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egbert101
KVRAF
2289 posts since 13 Jun, 2014

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:23 pm

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Last edited by egbert101 on Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:18 am, edited 1 time in total.
<list all your stupid gear here>

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wagtunes
KVRAF
17184 posts since 8 Oct, 2014

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:24 pm

Cinebient wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
Vertion wrote:
wagtunes wrote:Oh well, for me it's a moot point since it currently doesn't run on Windows 7. But it looks interesting. Hardware on a stick that can load into a DAW.

I'm honestly intrigued.
Demo Song (all Trueno).

http://truenosynth.com/wp-content/uploa ... 20Demo.mp3
Okay, so why can't they make soft synths sound like that?
They can....my opinion. It sounds good but not better than some analog virtual i like to use.
You don't think that bottom end and that filter sound really, really good? I can't think of a soft synth I have that has the rich a sound.

But if you think there's one that does, let me know which one. I'm pretty sure I have it.

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ariston
KVRAF
3497 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat

Re: Trueno - REAL ANALOG, FINALLY!!!

Post Fri Dec 01, 2017 1:26 pm

Time for another thread:

"Why are you so feared of REAL ANALOG?"

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