Is Music Really Universal?
- KVRian
- 1490 posts since 17 Sep, 2005 from Melbourne, Australia
what was the question? heh
music universal - most definitely, akin to language being universal, and food as examples
musical taste.. surely there's some commonality in really simple tunes (Happy Birthday, Auld Lang Syne?) that are known and well revered around the globe, with exceptions like the Peruvian jungle, Australian outback, and Alaskan eskimos. Those are the same cultures who have been spared Bieber though - so maybe they have got it right!
music universal - most definitely, akin to language being universal, and food as examples
musical taste.. surely there's some commonality in really simple tunes (Happy Birthday, Auld Lang Syne?) that are known and well revered around the globe, with exceptions like the Peruvian jungle, Australian outback, and Alaskan eskimos. Those are the same cultures who have been spared Bieber though - so maybe they have got it right!
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- KVRAF
- 15508 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Oh, is that the question? I thought that the question was "is music universal" like physics is universal. Well, that's what the space music postings led me to believe. I'm just coming into the conversation where it is. It's way to much work to read the rest of the thread.mcnoone wrote:The "music is universal" saying is not about whether people like it all the same...universally, but that music notation is a universal language.
Though I'm guessing we've established this much, and have moved on to the sarcasm at this point?
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- KVRian
- 1227 posts since 10 Oct, 2004
But it's clearly not, certainly no more so than any other language.mcnoone wrote:...music notation is a universal language.
There are a variety of musical notations. The traditional staff notation we use in the West is good for stuff derived and influenced from Western classical music (for obvious reasons), but there is an enormous amount of music for which it is very ill suited (music using intervals smaller than a semitone, music with significant electronic elements etc.)
Despite the saying, music is not universal, in any sense of the term.
Unfamiliar words can be looked up in my Glossary of musical terms.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
Also check out my Introduction to Music Theory.
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
OMFG do I detest both of those horrors. I can't evenemcee wrote:what was the question? heh
music universal - most definitely, akin to language being universal, and food as examples
musical taste.. surely there's some commonality in really simple tunes (Happy Birthday, Auld Lang Syne?) that are known and well revered around the globe, with exceptions like ...
- KVRAF
- 12554 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
Be careful to note that "universal" is interpreted subjectively as any word may be. Based upon reading some of the posts in this thread I would be lead to believe in a few cases the meaning might be closer to "lowland gorilla" than "cosmos".
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- Banned
- 6129 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society
I wonder if music came before language?
If so, then it might be possible that music influenced language.
Maybe they had little caveman raps using vocal noises and bones on hollow dead tree stumps.
Then the vocal noises became words with meanings derived from the songs.
If so, then it might be possible that music influenced language.
Maybe they had little caveman raps using vocal noises and bones on hollow dead tree stumps.
Then the vocal noises became words with meanings derived from the songs.
- KVRAF
- 25051 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
"cosmos"? lol, doubtful that's the question as we can't know if there are beings with ears out there, let alone an acoustically happening planet.aciddose wrote:Be careful to note that "universal" is interpreted subjectively as any word may be. Based upon reading some of the posts in this thread I would be lead to believe in a few cases the meaning might be closer to "lowland gorilla" than "cosmos".
1. of, affecting, or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.
this definition is totally common currency, man, come on. "Be careful to note..."
- KVRAF
- 12554 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
You're failing to acknowledge a whole universe of confusion.
Do those born deaf move to the beat of a different drum?
Do those born deaf move to the beat of a different drum?
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- Rad Grandad
- 38044 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
why would they? They can still feel it and likely feel it more acutely than you or I
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- KVRAF
- 12554 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
Not if they're congas! Even less so if they're bongos!
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- Rad Grandad
- 38044 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
not being deaf it is hard for us to say, I imagine it would depend on the person's proximity to the source. I think that someone who is deaf quite likely can feel vibrations unfathomable to those able to hear.
http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/topics/music02.htm
http://www.lifeprint.com/asl101/topics/music02.htm
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
- KVRAF
- 12554 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
Well I can make myself partially deaf by shoving stuff in my ears
I can say with 100% certainty that feeling vibrations does not to produce the same effect that hearing does.
I can say with 100% certainty that feeling vibrations does not to produce the same effect that hearing does.
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