Planned Obsolescence

[Zexila]

Funny thing is, I feel those guys are doing worse music than a decade ago. Just listen to David Guetta and even Jarre.

Yeah, for sure, my reply was solely on advancing in craft, which doesn't equals better music, they are making music for the market, which sucks, still it's not pushing the button, even that nonsense is taught out, made to sound good and accepted by masses, that's labor for itself too and seeks special kind of people to pull that off, it's not for everyone and not everyone manage to get there.

Personally I could maybe come up with idea that could be golden, but I can't pull it off or be serious about it, spend my time chasing that, I'm not getting fulfillment there, but they are getting and they are serious about it, spend years and tears on it, that's something not everybody can.

[BBFG#]

Of course it's planned.
Although it is expressed in market calculations as 'saturation point'.

[fluffy_little_something]

Who is to plan it? Unlike a washing machine, where makers can indeed build in components which will break after a few years, a software developer makes a product that doesn't suffer any wear and tear. They can't plan anything as they don't know what other developers will come up with in the future, stuff that might outdo their own.
The pseudo-obsolescence comes from the mind of the user, not from the product as such.

[Neon Breath]

Who is to plan it? Unlike a washing machine, where makers can indeed build in components which will break after a few years, a software developer makes a product that doesn't suffer any wear and tear. They can't plan anything as they don't know what other developers will come up with in the future, stuff that might outdo their own.
The pseudo-obsolescence comes from the mind of the user, not from the product as such.

I call it paranoia

[TerribleNews]

Weird thread.

[TerribleNews]

I guess, to chime in or w/e.

I'm personally a lot more worried about the planned obsolescence of my ears, than my VSTs.

[layzer]

its not the synths. its your brickwall limiter numbing the FK out of your eardrums over extended
periods. Back off the compression and hot, brickwalled levels and delight in wonderful dynamic music.

[djmino02]

What do you mean, "planned obsolescence" ? Like the developpers are coding sound degradation into they synths so they start sounding bad and poor over time??

You don't really think that do you? And why would they do that? I really doubt that would be a clever marketing strategy for keeping their customers.

I think it is going on I'm sure. Especially when the new product or upgrade is coming out

[emcee]

Musically I tend to think the majority of soft-synths are recreations or variations on a theme, there's only a few that really break new ground. And therein is the case of starting up soft synth X and initially thinking "wow, this makes me sound just like the big guys" and then a week later "sigh - this makes me sound just like the big guys".

So I don't think it's obsolence, more a case of far too much same same.. That awesome SAW Sound, how different can it be across 50+ different VSTi's? Use it in a different context and don't try to sound like <insert name here> - then you'll get results, and not regurgitation.

My opinion anyway

[HunterKiller]

Huge difference between guitarists and edm kids. Guitarists start at the beginning and work their way up as they get better. They have to know how to play to advance. EDM kids just hit the power button. Their biggest talent is taking their shirt off.

Nah, there's absolutely no difference. Both put in enormous effort when they're good. Like "over eight hours every day just to get better" type of effort and attention to detail and skill. And when they are more into posing than their craft instead, both are equally interested in "taking their shirt off" instead of working.

And that's okay, you know. In any case, they are entirely similar indeed.

Amateurs!

I take my pants off!

Free willyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[djmino02]

Musically I tend to think the majority of soft-synths are recreations or variations on a theme, there's only a few that really break new ground. And therein is the case of starting up soft synth X and initially thinking "wow, this makes me sound just like the big guys" and then a week later "sigh - this makes me sound just like the big guys".

So I don't think it's obsolence, more a case of far too much same same.. That awesome SAW Sound, how different can it be across 50+ different VSTi's? Use it in a different context and don't try to sound like <insert name here> - then you'll get results, and not regurgitation.

My opinion anyway

Yeah. You're probably right.

It's always when I'm slaving over the computer that I think the plugin is the problem.

Also, it's strange that retro sounds like the mellotron are still sought after to this day.

[fmr]

Also, it's strange that retro sounds like the mellotron are still sought after to this day.

Why? The piano sound has more than 200 years and is still sought after. And what about the strings? These instruments have more than 600 years, and sre still sought after. And the acoustic guitar has like 500 years.

[djmino02]

If I make my own patches I'll think I have something good going and then I'll use a preset from another instrument and be blown away.

[Neon Breath]

What do you mean, "planned obsolescence" ? Like the developpers are coding sound degradation into they synths so they start sounding bad and poor over time??

You don't really think that do you? And why would they do that? I really doubt that would be a clever marketing strategy for keeping their customers.

I think it is going on I'm sure. Especially when the new product or upgrade is coming out

Prove it. Sample a preset of a synth of the version 1.0 and the same preset version 2,3 or more and compare those. I'm sure they'll sound the same for 99% of all synths.

Unless you prove it with facts, this is all way too subjective and I don't believe that audio synth conspiracy !

[ariston]

Damn, and I though this thread was about Apple (aka the evil empire). *bows out*