Are you talking about Icarus or Dune? Actually Dune may sound pretty evil, especially if you use the FM osicllator, but it can't touch Spire, Massive or Virus in "agressiveness". As for Icarus, idk, I never heard anything really agressive or edgy from it, in comes with some dubstep presets but even they sound kinda softAnX wrote:I can. Its quite easy, even if you only know the basics of synthesis. Do you know the basics?chk071 wrote:Just like with Dune 2, you just can't get that synth to sound very aggressive too.
Tone2 will release Icarus - 3D WaveTable Synthesizer
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
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- KVRAF
- 3045 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark.AnX wrote:Sure. There are lots of options. FX obviously, but driving the filters is a good start.chk071 wrote:I believe so. Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Why compare it to Monark? Why not to Spire?chk071 wrote:I believe so. Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
For me, sure I can get Dune to sound more aggressive than Spire. Both Serum and Dune 2 are capable of thicker sounds than Spire. Don't forget the FM in Dune can make it sound really aggressive.
Now, if you want ultimate aggressiveness, then Reaktor is the king of them all
Icarus has a nice pleasant sound. IMO, take it in that direction and as a specialised synth, rather than doing it all one.
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- KVRAF
- 5169 posts since 16 Nov, 2014
Totally different tools...also....flavour!exmatproton wrote:Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark.AnX wrote:Sure. There are lots of options. FX obviously, but driving the filters is a good start.chk071 wrote:I believe so. Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.
What is the definition of an "agressive" sound.
Sure, we all think similar a bit here but that doesn't mean there is THE one synth for it.
For me f.e. the software with the most bite (especially the filter) is Dagger synth. Also the Moog Model 15 app can bite really....better than most desktop tools.
But is this thread about "agressive" sound. And does a synth which doesn't sound agressive is not a good synth.
If i need an agressive sound i might sample something from a construction area....
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- KVRAF
- 35267 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
You're right, that's a more fair comparison, as both are rather up the same ballpark, than a dedicated analog emulation like Monark. Still can't get Dune 2 as aggressive as Spire though. Maybe we have a different perception of what "aggressive" is too.EnGee wrote:Why compare it to Monark? Why not to Spire?chk071 wrote:I believe so. Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
- KVRAF
- 12522 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany
Icarus does not use analog modeled oscillators so the comparison of the Oscs is difficult. Icarus was also not built to be a proper analog emulation, or an emulation of a specific synth.exmatproton wrote: Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark.
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.
Anyway, i had used waveforms based on a Moog Slim Phatty combined with the "LP Butter 24dB" filter in Icarus, you could check e.g. my factory presets called "Hyper Brass IW" (Brass category/folder) for this.
To further increase the low end you could add Drive and also use the Bass boost ("DBass") and the EQ in the EQ section.
FWIW that "LP Butter 24dB" seems to be based on the 24dB LPF in Saurus and like that one seems to use zero delay feedback technology. That filter is resonant up to self-oscillation and pure self-oscillation (no Oscs used) could sound very clean there.
Some other Icarus filter modes could do self-oscillation too, mostly those with "analog" in the name (including a few of the HPF and BPF modes) but also some others. In comparison none of the Electra 2.1 filters seems to be capable of self-oscillation and in Serum only the "German LP" (as far as i was able to find in the demo version).
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
I'm now listening to the first offical Icarus demosong. Well, there hypersaws, plucks and wobbles are impressive, but I remember well how tight and punchy the similar stuff sounds from Virus, Icarus is close but no sigar. I know that Icarus was never meant to be a dedicated Virus emulation, I just take Virus as an example of a really ballsy synth.
Ok, the lead at 7:26 sounds really edgy
Ok, the lead at 7:26 sounds really edgy
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
To be honest, I like all the synths mentioned I just don't see a clear winner because everyone has a different character. I like Spire of course, but not for the aggressiveness or thick sound, it has a very nice character different from others. If I have the money, I would buy them all, but for now I picked only one of them and Reaktor 6 because it makes more sense to mechk071 wrote:You're right, that's a more fair comparison, as both are rather up the same ballpark, than a dedicated analog emulation like Monark. Still can't get Dune 2 as aggressive as Spire though. Maybe we have a different perception of what "aggressive" is too.EnGee wrote:Why compare it to Monark? Why not to Spire?chk071 wrote:I believe so. Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
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- KVRAF
- 35267 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
The question wasn't which synth is better, or which is the winner, it was whether they're similarly aggressive, or not. Dune 2 or Icarus are not very aggressive synths, so much i can say. Dune 2 even less than Icarus. Regardless of "quality" or whatever. I prefer synths which are more on the aggressive side, but that is also regardless of quality, it's simple preference.
- KVRAF
- 3045 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
Yes, i know that. He was saying it could be done. I disagree with him. So you should comment to him, imho. We are on the same page here.Ingonator wrote:Icarus does not use analog modeled oscillators so the comparison of the Oscs is difficult. Icarus was also not built to be a proper analog emulation, or an emulation of a specific synth.exmatproton wrote: Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark.
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.
Anyway, i had used waveforms based on a Moog Slim Phatty combined with the "LP Butter 24dB" filter in Icarus, you could check e.g. my factory presets called "Hyper Brass IW" (Brass category/folder) for this.
To further increase the low end you could add Drive and also use the Bass boost ("DBass") and the EQ in the EQ section.
FWIW that "LP Butter 24dB" seems to be based on the 24dB LPF in Saurus and like that one seems to use zero delay feedback technology. That filter is resonant up to self-oscillation and pure self-oscillation (no Oscs used) could sound very clean there.
Some other Icarus filter modes could do self-oscillation too, mostly those with "analog" in the name (including a few of the HPF and BPF modes) but also some others. In comparison none of the Electra 2.1 filters seems to be capable of self-oscillation and in Serum only the "German LP" (as far as i was able to find in the demo version).
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Yes and I already answered the 'question'! None of them is really aggressive as Reaktor. Even the Virus is not aggressive as Reaktor is! I believe one should choose the right tool for the specific taskchk071 wrote:The question wasn't which synth is better, or which is the winner, it was whether they're similarly aggressive, or not. Dune 2 or Icarus are not very aggressive synths, so much i can say. Dune 2 even less than Icarus. Regardless of "quality" or whatever. I prefer synths which are more on the aggressive side, but that is also regardless of quality, it's simple preference.
- KVRAF
- 3045 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
I and chk071 were commenting on AnX's comments. He was saying it was possible to create similar sounds on Icarus from Monark. Which is bull.EnGee wrote:Yes and I already answered the 'question'! None of them is really aggressive as Reaktor. Even the Virus is not aggressive as Reaktor is! I believe one should choose the right tool for the specific taskchk071 wrote:The question wasn't which synth is better, or which is the winner, it was whether they're similarly aggressive, or not. Dune 2 or Icarus are not very aggressive synths, so much i can say. Dune 2 even less than Icarus. Regardless of "quality" or whatever. I prefer synths which are more on the aggressive side, but that is also regardless of quality, it's simple preference.
- Banned
- 10732 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
Im talking about Dune2.recursive one wrote:Are you talking about Icarus or Dune? Actually Dune may sound pretty evil, especially if you use the FM osicllator, but it can't touch Spire, Massive or Virus in "agressiveness". As for Icarus, idk, I never heard anything really agressive or edgy from it, in comes with some dubstep presets but even they sound kinda softAnX wrote:I can. Its quite easy, even if you only know the basics of synthesis. Do you know the basics?chk071 wrote:Just like with Dune 2, you just can't get that synth to sound very aggressive too.