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AnX wrote:
chk071 wrote:Just like with Dune 2, you just can't get that synth to sound very aggressive too.
I can. Its quite easy, even if you only know the basics of synthesis. Do you know the basics?
Are you talking about Icarus or Dune? Actually Dune may sound pretty evil, especially if you use the FM osicllator, but it can't touch Spire, Massive or Virus in "agressiveness". As for Icarus, idk, I never heard anything really agressive or edgy from it, in comes with some dubstep presets but even they sound kinda soft
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AnX wrote:
chk071 wrote:I believe so. :D Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
Sure. There are lots of options. FX obviously, but driving the filters is a good start.
Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark. :dog:
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.

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chk071 wrote:I believe so. :D Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
Why compare it to Monark? Why not to Spire?
For me, sure I can get Dune to sound more aggressive than Spire. Both Serum and Dune 2 are capable of thicker sounds than Spire. Don't forget the FM in Dune can make it sound really aggressive.

Now, if you want ultimate aggressiveness, then Reaktor is the king of them all ;)

Icarus has a nice pleasant sound. IMO, take it in that direction and as a specialised synth, rather than doing it all one.

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exmatproton wrote:
AnX wrote:
chk071 wrote:I believe so. :D Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
Sure. There are lots of options. FX obviously, but driving the filters is a good start.
Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark. :dog:
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.
Totally different tools...also....flavour!
What is the definition of an "agressive" sound.
Sure, we all think similar a bit here but that doesn't mean there is THE one synth for it.
For me f.e. the software with the most bite (especially the filter) is Dagger synth. Also the Moog Model 15 app can bite really....better than most desktop tools.
But is this thread about "agressive" sound. And does a synth which doesn't sound agressive is not a good synth.
If i need an agressive sound i might sample something from a construction area....

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EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:I believe so. :D Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
Why compare it to Monark? Why not to Spire?
You're right, that's a more fair comparison, as both are rather up the same ballpark, than a dedicated analog emulation like Monark. Still can't get Dune 2 as aggressive as Spire though. :P Maybe we have a different perception of what "aggressive" is too.

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exmatproton wrote: Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark. :dog:
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.
Icarus does not use analog modeled oscillators so the comparison of the Oscs is difficult. Icarus was also not built to be a proper analog emulation, or an emulation of a specific synth.
Anyway, i had used waveforms based on a Moog Slim Phatty combined with the "LP Butter 24dB" filter in Icarus, you could check e.g. my factory presets called "Hyper Brass IW" (Brass category/folder) for this.
To further increase the low end you could add Drive and also use the Bass boost ("DBass") and the EQ in the EQ section.

FWIW that "LP Butter 24dB" seems to be based on the 24dB LPF in Saurus and like that one seems to use zero delay feedback technology. That filter is resonant up to self-oscillation and pure self-oscillation (no Oscs used) could sound very clean there.

Some other Icarus filter modes could do self-oscillation too, mostly those with "analog" in the name (including a few of the HPF and BPF modes) but also some others. In comparison none of the Electra 2.1 filters seems to be capable of self-oscillation and in Serum only the "German LP" (as far as i was able to find in the demo version).
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I'm now listening to the first offical Icarus demosong. Well, there hypersaws, plucks and wobbles are impressive, but I remember well how tight and punchy the similar stuff sounds from Virus, Icarus is close but no sigar. I know that Icarus was never meant to be a dedicated Virus emulation, I just take Virus as an example of a really ballsy synth.

Ok, the lead at 7:26 sounds really edgy :tu:
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chk071 wrote:
EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:I believe so. :D Can you get it to sound as aggressive and bangy as Monark? I'd be thrilled to hear that. For me, it sounds very soft with most sounds.
Why compare it to Monark? Why not to Spire?
You're right, that's a more fair comparison, as both are rather up the same ballpark, than a dedicated analog emulation like Monark. Still can't get Dune 2 as aggressive as Spire though. :P Maybe we have a different perception of what "aggressive" is too.
To be honest, I like all the synths mentioned :hihi: I just don't see a clear winner because everyone has a different character. I like Spire of course, but not for the aggressiveness or thick sound, it has a very nice character different from others. If I have the money, I would buy them all, but for now I picked only one of them and Reaktor 6 because it makes more sense to me :)

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The question wasn't which synth is better, or which is the winner, it was whether they're similarly aggressive, or not. :P Dune 2 or Icarus are not very aggressive synths, so much i can say. Dune 2 even less than Icarus. Regardless of "quality" or whatever. I prefer synths which are more on the aggressive side, but that is also regardless of quality, it's simple preference.

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Ingonator wrote:
exmatproton wrote: Euhh, no. Icarus's filters and overall osc quality aren't even in the same ballpark compared to monark. :dog:
Try the same synths at 88.2k or higher and play with a simple saw + high resonance filter sweep.
Icarus does not use analog modeled oscillators so the comparison of the Oscs is difficult. Icarus was also not built to be a proper analog emulation, or an emulation of a specific synth.
Anyway, i had used waveforms based on a Moog Slim Phatty combined with the "LP Butter 24dB" filter in Icarus, you could check e.g. my factory presets called "Hyper Brass IW" (Brass category/folder) for this.
To further increase the low end you could add Drive and also use the Bass boost ("DBass") and the EQ in the EQ section.

FWIW that "LP Butter 24dB" seems to be based on the 24dB LPF in Saurus and like that one seems to use zero delay feedback technology. That filter is resonant up to self-oscillation and pure self-oscillation (no Oscs used) could sound very clean there.

Some other Icarus filter modes could do self-oscillation too, mostly those with "analog" in the name (including a few of the HPF and BPF modes) but also some others. In comparison none of the Electra 2.1 filters seems to be capable of self-oscillation and in Serum only the "German LP" (as far as i was able to find in the demo version).
Yes, i know that. He was saying it could be done. I disagree with him. So you should comment to him, imho. We are on the same page here.

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chk071 wrote:The question wasn't which synth is better, or which is the winner, it was whether they're similarly aggressive, or not. :P Dune 2 or Icarus are not very aggressive synths, so much i can say. Dune 2 even less than Icarus. Regardless of "quality" or whatever. I prefer synths which are more on the aggressive side, but that is also regardless of quality, it's simple preference.
Yes and I already answered the 'question'! None of them is really aggressive as Reaktor. Even the Virus is not aggressive as Reaktor is! I believe one should choose the right tool for the specific task :P

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EnGee wrote:
chk071 wrote:The question wasn't which synth is better, or which is the winner, it was whether they're similarly aggressive, or not. :P Dune 2 or Icarus are not very aggressive synths, so much i can say. Dune 2 even less than Icarus. Regardless of "quality" or whatever. I prefer synths which are more on the aggressive side, but that is also regardless of quality, it's simple preference.
Yes and I already answered the 'question'! None of them is really aggressive as Reaktor. Even the Virus is not aggressive as Reaktor is! I believe one should choose the right tool for the specific task :P
I and chk071 were commenting on AnX's comments. He was saying it was possible to create similar sounds on Icarus from Monark. Which is bull.

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Dune 2*. But, yes, that. :P

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recursive one wrote:
AnX wrote:
chk071 wrote:Just like with Dune 2, you just can't get that synth to sound very aggressive too.
I can. Its quite easy, even if you only know the basics of synthesis. Do you know the basics?
Are you talking about Icarus or Dune? Actually Dune may sound pretty evil, especially if you use the FM osicllator, but it can't touch Spire, Massive or Virus in "agressiveness". As for Icarus, idk, I never heard anything really agressive or edgy from it, in comes with some dubstep presets but even they sound kinda soft
Im talking about Dune2.

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