Does Fabfilter Pro-Q 2 have any weaknesses?
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- KVRist
- 459 posts since 31 Dec, 2010 from Perth
One of the questions in the Valhalla DSP survey (for the free VSM) is: What is your favourite plugin ?
Fab Pro-Q2 immediately came to mind, so that was my answer.
It is what it is, a fantastic EQ.
Fab Pro-Q2 immediately came to mind, so that was my answer.
It is what it is, a fantastic EQ.
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- KVRAF
- 1594 posts since 18 Feb, 2005 from Serbia
Could you explain why you like it better?Robert Randolph wrote:Pro-Q 2 has 'natural phase mode' which is a minimum phase mode that's somewhat close to (and IMO better than) mixed phase. (pg. 18 of the manual here: http://www.fabfilter.com/help/ffproq2-manual.pdf for more)
Edit:
I may actually found the answer myself: https://soundcloud.com/acondigital/sets ... hase-modes
I've found an explanation from Stian:
I would like to see M/S or L/R per band, and improved EQ match. Providing parallel mode couldn't hurt eitherThese are two entirely different concepts. The mixed phase mode results in a phase response that is as close to linear as possible while restricting the duration of the pre-ringing to a user defined duration (anywhere between 5 and 120 ms). There are some sample rate conversion tools that use a similar technique (e.g. Izotope SRC), but it is a novelty in equalizers as far as I know.
Due to the nature of sampled systems, it is not possible to capture the exact phase response of analog filters when getting close to the Nyquist frequency. The natural phase mode in Pro-Q2 is an attempt to match an analog phase response more closely in the high frequency region at the expense of a steep phase shift when reaching the Nyquist frequency.
I really like the spectrum grab mode when getting rid of the nasty resonant frequencies, really helps doing things faster.
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- KVRAF
- 3426 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Pacific NW
I use FabFilter Pro-Q all the time during plugin development, to get a quick overview of the frequency response of my algorithms.Beatworld wrote:One of the questions in the Valhalla DSP survey (for the free VSM) is: What is your favourite plugin ?
Fab Pro-Q2 immediately came to mind, so that was my answer.
It is what it is, a fantastic EQ.
Sean Costello
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- KVRist
- 459 posts since 31 Dec, 2010 from Perth
Yep, a very informative GUIvalhallasound wrote:I use FabFilter Pro-Q all the time during plugin development, to get a quick overview of the frequency response of my algorithms.Beatworld wrote:One of the questions in the Valhalla DSP survey (for the free VSM) is: What is your favourite plugin ?
Fab Pro-Q2 immediately came to mind, so that was my answer.
It is what it is, a fantastic EQ.
Sean Costello
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
Zexila wrote:Yes, fixed slopes, doesn't have mixed phase mode, check this one instead and wait for TheoM to chime in. https://acondigital.com/products/equalize/
Yes i do recommend Acon but ProQ2 is an exceptional EQ..
It is true the acon has more shapeable cut filters where the fab filter are fixed at 6db intervals and one shape, but the fab filter also does stuff acon doesn't.. You really can't lose with either of them.
The Sir is good too as is of course DMG stuff.
OP decided on ProQ it seems which is no doubt a good choice.
- KVRAF
- 10293 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
That was my answer to the question as well. There's just no way around it. I use Pro-Q 2 way more than any other plugin I have, way more. It's everywhere. Why? Because it just works. It's almost second nature.. I just pop it on a track, fix mid or side, left or right, or whatever. Heck, I even open it up just to look at the analyzer.Beatworld wrote:One of the questions in the Valhalla DSP survey (for the free VSM) is: What is your favourite plugin ?
Fab Pro-Q2 immediately came to mind, so that was my answer.
It is what it is, a fantastic EQ.
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- KVRAF
- 2224 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
Thanks for the correction.lesha wrote:Could you explain why you like it better?Robert Randolph wrote:Pro-Q 2 has 'natural phase mode' which is a minimum phase mode that's somewhat close to (and IMO better than) mixed phase. (pg. 18 of the manual here: http://www.fabfilter.com/help/ffproq2-manual.pdf for more)
Edit:
I may actually found the answer myself: https://soundcloud.com/acondigital/sets ... hase-modes
I've found an explanation from Stian:I would like to see M/S or L/R per band, and improved EQ match. Providing parallel mode couldn't hurt eitherThese are two entirely different concepts. The mixed phase mode results in a phase response that is as close to linear as possible while restricting the duration of the pre-ringing to a user defined duration (anywhere between 5 and 120 ms). There are some sample rate conversion tools that use a similar technique (e.g. Izotope SRC), but it is a novelty in equalizers as far as I know.
Due to the nature of sampled systems, it is not possible to capture the exact phase response of analog filters when getting close to the Nyquist frequency. The natural phase mode in Pro-Q2 is an attempt to match an analog phase response more closely in the high frequency region at the expense of a steep phase shift when reaching the Nyquist frequency.
I really like the spectrum grab mode when getting rid of the nasty resonant frequencies, really helps doing things faster.
I do however prefer the natural phase mode of Pro-Q 2 still, as it sounds more natural with really extreme settings.
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- KVRAF
- 1594 posts since 18 Feb, 2005 from Serbia
After listening to the audio examples, I believe I would prefer it, too.Robert Randolph wrote:I do however prefer the natural phase mode of Pro-Q 2 still, as it sounds more natural with really extreme settings.
What is the best way to measure/hear pre-ringing?
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- KVRAF
- 2224 posts since 25 May, 2003 from Saint Petersburg, Florida
Play with boosts on some hi-hats. Pretty clear usually.lesha wrote:After listening to the audio examples, I believe I would prefer it, too.Robert Randolph wrote:I do however prefer the natural phase mode of Pro-Q 2 still, as it sounds more natural with really extreme settings.
What is the best way to measure/hear pre-ringing?
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- KVRAF
- 1662 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
As I understand it, linear processing (like EQ) does not benefit from oversampling. Non-linear processing (like compression) will benefit. So, there'd be no reason to include such a feature in even the best of EQs.MogwaiBoy wrote: Just wondering though if Pro-Q 2 has offline rendering (oversample) modes?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4709 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Thanks everyone for all the informative discussion - it's really helped me. I endeavour to get this plugin
- KVRAF
- 1594 posts since 18 Feb, 2005 from Serbia
I actually used low cut on a low frequency sine signal, pretty easy to hear. I didn't like mixed phase too much because it smeared the transients like linear phase does.Robert Randolph wrote:Play with boosts on some hi-hats. Pretty clear usually.lesha wrote:After listening to the audio examples, I believe I would prefer it, too.Robert Randolph wrote:I do however prefer the natural phase mode of Pro-Q 2 still, as it sounds more natural with really extreme settings.
What is the best way to measure/hear pre-ringing?
I am interested if there is a way to see it graphically?
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Late to the party, everything else is answered, personally would use mixed phase mode only on bass and only thing that delivered what I need is that and Equilibrium after some tweaking, so that's weakness of any other EQ plugin, it can't give me that result.Robert Randolph wrote:I do however prefer the natural phase mode of Pro-Q 2 still, as it sounds more natural with really extreme settings.
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- KVRer
- 18 posts since 30 Jun, 2015
For me the weakness lies in the fact that the interface and it's visual nature is quick to put you to a "mixing with your eyes" mentality.
It is a fantastic tool but for that reason i use it sparingly! When the situation is right, it is superb.
In most cases though I prefer something that forces me to listen.
It is a fantastic tool but for that reason i use it sparingly! When the situation is right, it is superb.
In most cases though I prefer something that forces me to listen.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4709 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Original Poster here... I've bought Pro-Q 2 in the Marketplace and will report back when the license arrives and I've had a decent amount of time to get to grips with it