KVR Audio

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Mon May 30, 2016 5:31 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:That's odd, I use it almost every day and have never had it crash. I do use a controller though. So I rarely use the mouse to do things.

It always happens with the mouse for me. Never noticed it with quick controls on my MIDI controller. Guess I will file a bug report to Steinberg.

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Mon May 30, 2016 7:09 pm

Just submitted a support request with Steinberg. I was adjusting Sync on OSC1 with the mouse for this crash dump. I will update when I get this resolved or there is news from Steinberg.

Process: Cubase 8.5 [35935]
Path: /Applications/Cubase 8.5.app/Contents/MacOS/Cubase 8.5
Identifier: com.steinberg.cubase8v5
Version: 8.5.15.126 (8.5.15.126)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: ??? [1]
Responsible: Cubase 8.5 [35935]
User ID: 501

Date/Time: 2016-05-30 14:02:20.056 -0500
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.11.5 (15F34)
Report Version: 11
Anonymous UUID: EEAD998A-ECFC-6A4C-D45B-3CF859A12D18

Sleep/Wake UUID: F465D323-5EEE-4F7F-8F57-993B9B82F8C7

Time Awake Since Boot: 260000 seconds
Time Since Wake: 11000 seconds

System Integrity Protection: enabled

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (SIGSEGV)
Exception Codes: EXC_I386_GPFLT
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0 com.steinberg.Retrologue 0x000000012d5d8b94 0x12d100000 + 5082004
1 com.steinberg.Retrologue 0x000000012d73dbbb 0x12d100000 + 6544315
2 com.steinberg.Retrologue 0x000000012d4a3123 0x12d100000 + 3813667
3 com.steinberg.Retrologue 0x000000012d4a3846 0x12d100000 + 3815494
4 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff961383c9 -[NSWindow _handleMouseDownEvent:isDelayedEvent:] + 6322
5 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff961393ad -[NSWindow _reallySendEvent:isDelayedEvent:] + 212
6 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff95b78539 -[NSWindow sendEvent:] + 517
7 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff95af8a38 -[NSApplication sendEvent:] + 2540
8 com.steinberg.cubase8v5 0x000000010206c82a 0x1008de000 + 24700970
9 com.apple.AppKit 0x00007fff9595fdf2 -[NSApplication run] + 796
10 com.steinberg.cubase8v5 0x0000000102144c20 0x1008de000 + 25586720
11 com.steinberg.cubase8v5 0x000000010225fb6d 0x1008de000 + 26745709
12 com.steinberg.cubase8v5 0x000000010206685c 0x1008de000 + 24676444
13 com.steinberg.cubase8v5 0x000000010206becb 0x1008de000 + 24698571
14 com.steinberg.cubase8v5 0x00000001008dfac4 0x1008de000 + 6852

tripleflows · Post by **tripleflows** » Tue May 31, 2016 5:50 pm

Retrologue 2 never crashed in Cubase Pro 8.5 at me.

Is this a repeatable bug or just happens when you move the knobs using the mouse only?

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Tue May 31, 2016 6:27 pm

tripleflows wrote:Retrologue 2 never crashed in Cubase Pro 8.5 at me.

Is this a repeatable bug or just happens when you move the knobs using the mouse only?

Always happens when using the knobs with the mouse. I can repeat it within ~5-10 minutes of twiddling most of the time. This only happens in Retrologue, none of my other plugins have the same behavior.

matamoris · Post by **matamoris** » Tue May 31, 2016 9:18 pm

I had the crashing when moving knobs when using Retrologue in Logic. Steinberg instructed me to install the following. It seemed to do the trick.

http://download.steinberg.net/downloads ... er_mac.dmg

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:28 am

This is with Retrologue 1 in Bitwig. Just browsing the first presets!

Retrologue 2 demo is not even showing in Bitwig (and crashes Reaper) all are 64bit versions in Windows 10 64bit.

I suspect the latest updates of Windows has broken something with Retrologue as Padshop pro still working fine with me.

Anyway, too much instability with both Retrologue and Cubase Elements 8 (latest update, which Retrologue 2 crashes it!!). I gave up. I have uninstalled both and just kept Padshop pro. I'm glad I haven't invested more in Cubase upgrade

Phorous · Post by **Phorous** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:12 am

EnGee wrote:This is with Retrologue 1 in Bitwig. Just browsing the first presets!

Retrologue 2 demo is not even showing in Bitwig (and crashes Reaper) all are 64bit versions in Windows 10 64bit.

I suspect the latest updates of Windows has broken something with Retrologue as Padshop pro still working fine with me.

Anyway, too much instability with both Retrologue and Cubase Elements 8 (latest update, which Retrologue 2 crashes it!!). I gave up. I have uninstalled both and just kept Padshop pro. I'm glad I haven't invested more in Cubase upgrade

Cubase itself is pretty stable for me. Its just Retrologue 2 that is giving me problems! 8.0 and 8.5 didn't crash for me a single time otherwise.

I have had issues with several VST plugins in Bitwig due to it handling parts of the VST specification slightly differently than other hosts. Due to the ambiguous nature of the standard they are not necessarily wrong in how they implemented it.

I am guessing that Retrologue is VST3 only, meaning it won't show up in Bitwig. I also know many other people have had issues with Steinberg plugins in Bitwig so you are not alone there.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:56 am

Voice303 wrote:
EnGee wrote:This is with Retrologue 1 in Bitwig. Just browsing the first presets!

Retrologue 2 demo is not even showing in Bitwig (and crashes Reaper) all are 64bit versions in Windows 10 64bit.

I suspect the latest updates of Windows has broken something with Retrologue as Padshop pro still working fine with me.

Anyway, too much instability with both Retrologue and Cubase Elements 8 (latest update, which Retrologue 2 crashes it!!). I gave up. I have uninstalled both and just kept Padshop pro. I'm glad I haven't invested more in Cubase upgrade
Cubase itself is pretty stable for me. Its just Retrologue 2 that is giving me problems! 8.0 and 8.5 didn't crash for me a single time otherwise.

I have had issues with several VST plugins in Bitwig due to it handling parts of the VST specification slightly differently than other hosts. Due to the ambiguous nature of the standard they are not necessarily wrong in how they implemented it.

I am guessing that Retrologue is VST3 only, meaning it won't show up in Bitwig. I also know many other people have had issues with Steinberg plugins in Bitwig so you are not alone there.

Yes, you are right. Retrologue 2 is VST3 only so that it doesn't show in Bitwig. It crashes Reaper 64bit and Cubase Elements 64bit though!

Great! Now, Padshop Pro also crashes Bitwig!

I have tried for the last time. I uninstalled everything related to Steinberg (including the e-licenser) and deleted whatever I find in the disk (included the hidden folders of appdata crap), then installed the software and then installed the latest e-licenser. The same shit

Luckly, Waldorf Largo is not affected and it is working fine without any error

Nah! I had added Cakewalk to my black list in the past and now Steinberg. I have uninstalled everything Steinberg except the e-licenser because I need it for Largo to function.

I have no problem at all with NI, u-he, Waves, Arturia, Dune 2, Synthmaster, ..etc. All are working great in Bitwig. I will be fine without Steinberg, so Goodbye Steinberg

tripleflows · Post by **tripleflows** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:31 am

Voice303 wrote:
EnGee wrote: I am guessing that Retrologue is VST3 only, meaning it won't show up in Bitwig.
Yes, you are right. Retrologue 2 is VST3 only so that it doesn't show in Bitwig. It crashes Reaper 64bit and Cubase Elements 64bit though!

On Windows, the location of the VST2 version of Retrologue 1 or 2 can be found here:
c:\Program Files\Steinberg\VSTPlugins\Retrologue\Retrologue.dll

The VST3 version is here:
c:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3\Steinberg\Retrologue\Retrologue.vst3

fluffy_little_something · Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:12 pm

Does any developer dare offer a VST3-only plugin? I doubt it as long as VST2 is the standard...
It would be like selling 64-bit only plugins...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:43 pm

tripleflows wrote: On Windows, the location of the VST2 version of Retrologue 1 or 2 can be found here:
c:\Program Files\Steinberg\VSTPlugins\Retrologue\Retrologue.dll

Not here... in fact it doesn't seem to have installed the VST2 at all, when installing Retrologue, otherwise it would show up in the plugin manager of Cubase Elements too. I installed it a couple of times now, and it always was the same. VST3 only install.

fluffy_little_something · Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:46 pm

Just checked their site, it clearly says 2.4 or 3:
http://www.steinberg.net/en/products/vs ... loads.html

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:48 pm

I saw that too. But no matter what i do, it only installs the VST3.

No idea why really...

fluffy_little_something · Wed Jun 01, 2016 7:52 pm

https://www.steinberg.net/nc/en/support ... ndows.html

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:58 am

Not much talk about this synth anymore, but... I wonder if anyone noticed that since version 2, when you use oscillator unison, there's some weird harsh attack transient, which wasn't there in version 1. I'll try to make a demo later, if Steinberg lets you demo version 2 (I only have a license for version 1), but, you can compare it to Sylenth1, or any other synth which has unison on oscillator level (Spire for example), and you will notice that there's something going on in Retrologue which isn't in other synths.

Steinberg Retrologue