a new beta of RaveGenerator linux vst, and a bigmuffpi plugin
for guitarix, and a new qtractor daw version to host them all!
Bring on the 30 hour days
The linux DAW thread
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
A good week for linux musicians: an update to Bliss Sampler,
a new beta of RaveGenerator linux vst, and a bigmuffpi plugin
for guitarix, and a new qtractor daw version to host them all!
Bring on the 30 hour days
a new beta of RaveGenerator linux vst, and a bigmuffpi plugin
for guitarix, and a new qtractor daw version to host them all!
Bring on the 30 hour days
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
New Studio 1337 announced:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 0c83875415
"The iso is now a multikernel isohybrid, 32 and 64 bit, with UEFI support. Studio 13.37 now works on Intel-based Macs! "
Bodes well for the future. Recorded recently using the previous version,
with no hard-disk at all, just 2 usbsticks, and 2 gig ram.
http://www.getstudio1337.com/
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 0c83875415 "The iso is now a multikernel isohybrid, 32 and 64 bit, with UEFI support. Studio 13.37 now works on Intel-based Macs! "
Bodes well for the future. Recorded recently using the previous version,
with no hard-disk at all, just 2 usbsticks, and 2 gig ram.
http://www.getstudio1337.com/
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- KVRist
- 30 posts since 30 Sep, 2008 from Finland
Just to update this thread regarding progress towards a native Linux REAPER. There's been a bit of attention to the recent dev builds via Phoronix and Linux Action Show. There's 64 bit REAPER, precompiled libSwell, and instructions to compile your own libSwell if you should want. You can find them in the dev folder at the REAPER landoleet site. Currently REAPER will use jack and jack midi, can use all of its internal ReaPlugins and Jesusonic plugins (which is a lot of useful stuff), and can load native linux vsts with generic UI (i.e. no custom GUI yet). There's a few gui issues - like knobs (like panning) don't work right. I've avoided some of that by adding the REAPER3 theme which uses sliders for panning. It crashes when I try to set up a control surface. I've also had a few crashes when opening a project using linuxsampler's vst with the qsampler frontend. I've had a bit of success loading some windows vsts (although with no gui) using airwave.
Still early days, but amazing progress.
Still early days, but amazing progress.
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
Used the windows reaper 5.20 in wine on a 512 meg P4 linux, to record
a z3ta+ sequence with a decent effects chain, so having a linux reaper version
might be nice, but it will be hard to defeat the win reaper for
trouble free linux recording.
If Airwave vst hosting for windows based plugins could be integrated, that would be a great plus. If a transparent LV2 loader could be created,
that would open a large range of effects, and some useful instruments.
Without the capabilities of easily (meaning no extra plugin needed for hosting)
using windows and lv2 plugins, I don't see much
to be gained from a linux reaper daw that will compete with bitwig, ardour-mixbus,
tracktion, radium, qtractor, carla, renoise, muse, rosegarden, energyXT, the non-collective, and whatever other linux daws I've left off the list.
I don't know if the official reaper coders are actively working on this.
As a clam at high tide, I think I'd prefer a trusted 3rd party/group
work on the linux port, with the windows/mac developers left
to improve their magic. There are still thousands of pro-tools,
cubase, and logic users who need to be rescued
If a linux version is added to the license, I'll sure give it a try.
I've never even used the reaper plugins yet, even though I've
owned them for years. I should probably pencil-in for testing
during the next monsoon season
Cheers
a z3ta+ sequence with a decent effects chain, so having a linux reaper version
might be nice, but it will be hard to defeat the win reaper for
trouble free linux recording.
If Airwave vst hosting for windows based plugins could be integrated, that would be a great plus. If a transparent LV2 loader could be created,
that would open a large range of effects, and some useful instruments.
Without the capabilities of easily (meaning no extra plugin needed for hosting)
using windows and lv2 plugins, I don't see much
to be gained from a linux reaper daw that will compete with bitwig, ardour-mixbus,
tracktion, radium, qtractor, carla, renoise, muse, rosegarden, energyXT, the non-collective, and whatever other linux daws I've left off the list.
I don't know if the official reaper coders are actively working on this.
As a clam at high tide, I think I'd prefer a trusted 3rd party/group
work on the linux port, with the windows/mac developers left
to improve their magic. There are still thousands of pro-tools,
cubase, and logic users who need to be rescued
If a linux version is added to the license, I'll sure give it a try.
I've never even used the reaper plugins yet, even though I've
owned them for years. I should probably pencil-in for testing
during the next monsoon season
Cheers
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
Ivor2, PG-8X V2, and Harmonaut working in wine with reaper, lots of nice free sound options.
Bliss sampler updated, and standalone Discovery Pro coming, so good news at the high end, too.
Reminds me, need to test U-he Repro. More plugins than time, by an alarming factor.
Bliss sampler updated, and standalone Discovery Pro coming, so good news at the high end, too.
Reminds me, need to test U-he Repro. More plugins than time, by an alarming factor.
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- KVRist
- 39 posts since 17 Jun, 2014
Opinions wanted:
-I like the ideology of Linux
-I'm not entirely happy with the performance of my Win10/Bitwig system. It's useable, but buggy - seems like it should be better, CPU throttles under a moderate load, many bugs, etc.
-I can dedicate an entire system (mid-range laptop) to audio production
-I do actually record and release music, and play live shows. I can't afford to mess around for weeks trying to find the right drivers etc.
So; I have a functional Windows system, but I like the idea of having a dedicated Linux audio box (running Bitwig, maybe Reaper too for editing, I've used it plenty in Windows) kept very lightweight, with only the few necessary audio apps. A setup that squeezes the maximum performance out of middling hardware, and completely reliable.
Questions:
-Am I likely to find better Bitwig performance (better than Windows) with a Linux distro?
-If so, which would you recommend?
-Would I have to spend a week banging my head against the wall to make it work?
-Am I likely to have problems with peripherals: Tascam interface, Launchpad Mini?
Responses to any of these points welcomed...
-I like the ideology of Linux
-I'm not entirely happy with the performance of my Win10/Bitwig system. It's useable, but buggy - seems like it should be better, CPU throttles under a moderate load, many bugs, etc.
-I can dedicate an entire system (mid-range laptop) to audio production
-I do actually record and release music, and play live shows. I can't afford to mess around for weeks trying to find the right drivers etc.
So; I have a functional Windows system, but I like the idea of having a dedicated Linux audio box (running Bitwig, maybe Reaper too for editing, I've used it plenty in Windows) kept very lightweight, with only the few necessary audio apps. A setup that squeezes the maximum performance out of middling hardware, and completely reliable.
Questions:
-Am I likely to find better Bitwig performance (better than Windows) with a Linux distro?
-If so, which would you recommend?
-Would I have to spend a week banging my head against the wall to make it work?
-Am I likely to have problems with peripherals: Tascam interface, Launchpad Mini?
Responses to any of these points welcomed...
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
http://libremusicproduction.com/
great docs for jackd, the linux audio server, 'and more'
With linux, compatible hardware is the first step,
I'd recommend Native Instruments Komplete 6 usb interface
for a laptop, and an maudio pci card for a desktop.
The main reason for using linux for audio, for me,
has been simple routing of hardware and software i/o
where I want, without mac/pc restrictions, and having
Hydrogen, zynaddsubfx-yoshimi, and rakarrack, to quickly
access a great pallette of rythm, sound, and effects.
I use reaper while these are running, as a big rompler,
and you can run reaper and linux-bitwig and linux apps
at the same time, cpu/ram permitting.
Now that U-he, discoDSP, Pianoteq etc have linux versions,
a pro has quite an arsenal to use in linux. The Bitwig effects
system is awesome, and there are great linux instruments
that fill niches, like Hexter for DX7 sounds, Calf monosynth,
included in the Calf Effects collection, and a dozen solid and varied
native linux vsts, plus a gauntlet of lv2 effects, and Guitarix
to help with amp-sim needs. Great guitarix tutorial is at the above link.
Best bet is testing first, then install a linux on an external usb hardisk/ssd,
and spend a weekend youtubing, use google with precision,
and answers are common, assuming the right hardware is in use.
avlinux have recently released an iso of their bootable dvd based on
modern debian, it's a remastered working system, so you can
test without a lot of configuration dramas, and without
installing anything on your hard disks.
http://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/
Studio1337 is a commercial release, apps compiled with a realtime kernel,
and will work fine with reaper, (but not bitwig). It's based on slackware and
puppy linux. Absurdly fast on an ssd. Shipped on usbstick,
or iso image.
http://studio1337.pro/
After getting cozy with the jargon and workflow, you can use
a barebones linux, like a pclinuxos 'minime', or bodhi, and add
just the audio/video things you'll use.
(these are my 3 core apps: Hydrogen is grid/pattern based sample player for drum
machine/sampler needs,
zynaddsubfx-yoshimi are 16 part multitimbral, for great synth layering,
and rakarrack is a multi-fx panel, to put serious jam on your bread & butter.)
The linux discoDSP Bliss 'real sampler', works fine with Zebra,
and other native linux vsts like obxd, and TAL noisemaker.
In wine, apps that don't use dongles or hair-raising install schemes
usually work. I like Dimension Pro, Rapture, and z3ta from cakewalk,
The (now free) Ugo collection, Algomusic collection, Krakli collection,
Synth1, Wusik apps like Art-Vera's Drumatoxin, U-he apps,
and select freeware classics like oatmeal, chimera, abakos, atlantis,
add infinitum. Most of the older XP era Native Instruments work fine,
I have Razor and Prism, and more great Reaktor ensembles
than should be allowed by law...
Don't rush in unawares! Test and verify are your best friends.
Cheers
great docs for jackd, the linux audio server, 'and more'
With linux, compatible hardware is the first step,
I'd recommend Native Instruments Komplete 6 usb interface
for a laptop, and an maudio pci card for a desktop.
The main reason for using linux for audio, for me,
has been simple routing of hardware and software i/o
where I want, without mac/pc restrictions, and having
Hydrogen, zynaddsubfx-yoshimi, and rakarrack, to quickly
access a great pallette of rythm, sound, and effects.
I use reaper while these are running, as a big rompler,
and you can run reaper and linux-bitwig and linux apps
at the same time, cpu/ram permitting.
Now that U-he, discoDSP, Pianoteq etc have linux versions,
a pro has quite an arsenal to use in linux. The Bitwig effects
system is awesome, and there are great linux instruments
that fill niches, like Hexter for DX7 sounds, Calf monosynth,
included in the Calf Effects collection, and a dozen solid and varied
native linux vsts, plus a gauntlet of lv2 effects, and Guitarix
to help with amp-sim needs. Great guitarix tutorial is at the above link.
Best bet is testing first, then install a linux on an external usb hardisk/ssd,
and spend a weekend youtubing, use google with precision,
and answers are common, assuming the right hardware is in use.
avlinux have recently released an iso of their bootable dvd based on
modern debian, it's a remastered working system, so you can
test without a lot of configuration dramas, and without
installing anything on your hard disks.
http://www.bandshed.net/avlinux/
Studio1337 is a commercial release, apps compiled with a realtime kernel,
and will work fine with reaper, (but not bitwig). It's based on slackware and
puppy linux. Absurdly fast on an ssd. Shipped on usbstick,
or iso image.
http://studio1337.pro/
After getting cozy with the jargon and workflow, you can use
a barebones linux, like a pclinuxos 'minime', or bodhi, and add
just the audio/video things you'll use.
(these are my 3 core apps: Hydrogen is grid/pattern based sample player for drum
machine/sampler needs,
zynaddsubfx-yoshimi are 16 part multitimbral, for great synth layering,
and rakarrack is a multi-fx panel, to put serious jam on your bread & butter.)
The linux discoDSP Bliss 'real sampler', works fine with Zebra,
and other native linux vsts like obxd, and TAL noisemaker.
In wine, apps that don't use dongles or hair-raising install schemes
usually work. I like Dimension Pro, Rapture, and z3ta from cakewalk,
The (now free) Ugo collection, Algomusic collection, Krakli collection,
Synth1, Wusik apps like Art-Vera's Drumatoxin, U-he apps,
and select freeware classics like oatmeal, chimera, abakos, atlantis,
add infinitum. Most of the older XP era Native Instruments work fine,
I have Razor and Prism, and more great Reaktor ensembles
than should be allowed by law...
Don't rush in unawares! Test and verify are your best friends.
Cheers
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- KVRist
- 46 posts since 21 May, 2016
hej there!
i actually joined the whole forum because here is the official bitwig forum.
there i discovered something nice that might be interesting to some of you:
http://mayastudio.tumblr.com/64bit
being a total noob i still managed to install it and bitwig runs, my controllers got noticed and everything seems to be fine so far...i will not need much more but since a few months i own the arturia spark le drummachine...
it is a very nice product and comes along with a software that is as well a stand-alone-software as a vst that runs in a daw. no question i thought it might be nice if it runs in linux.
it got recognized by the system and via wine i managed to start the programme BUT i could not manage register the hardware properly because what i think is that a new environment is for the register-recognition basically a new computer...now here is my point:
do i now have to get a software dongle just to unlock the software on the same computer just because i use a different operating systeme? or has any of you guys another idea...the arturia site says i can have it installed on 5 computers...but it needs that damn dongle which i find a bit annoying...do you think it would be worth getting one and trying it out? or do you have any different ideas?
thanx and peace!
i actually joined the whole forum because here is the official bitwig forum.
there i discovered something nice that might be interesting to some of you:
http://mayastudio.tumblr.com/64bit
being a total noob i still managed to install it and bitwig runs, my controllers got noticed and everything seems to be fine so far...i will not need much more but since a few months i own the arturia spark le drummachine...
it is a very nice product and comes along with a software that is as well a stand-alone-software as a vst that runs in a daw. no question i thought it might be nice if it runs in linux.
it got recognized by the system and via wine i managed to start the programme BUT i could not manage register the hardware properly because what i think is that a new environment is for the register-recognition basically a new computer...now here is my point:
do i now have to get a software dongle just to unlock the software on the same computer just because i use a different operating systeme? or has any of you guys another idea...the arturia site says i can have it installed on 5 computers...but it needs that damn dongle which i find a bit annoying...do you think it would be worth getting one and trying it out? or do you have any different ideas?
thanx and peace!
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
Someone has used a Minilab with linux Hydrogen, recognized
and useful to some extent.
http://linux-sound.org/midi.html
I'd look into installing mididings, kmidimon, and several other midi
utilities at the link, and see if you can find what is being sent
by the various controls on your Arturia, and see what can be midi-learned
or controlled by linux side apps.
Maybe there is a bitwig script for other arturia hardware
that could be modified or used. You can look at Nektar controller scripts
for examples, perhaps modifying for setup. Thomas Helze has a long
scripting discussion in the bitwig forum stickies area.
You can ask at the zynaddsubfx forum here,
regarding midi-learnables, and join the LAU linux audio mail-list
to ask questions where linux devs are frequent participants.
Reaper in wine may be another avenue, maybe someone has
some reaper template created for arturia gear, that would allow some functions
without the dongle. I don't think time spent on the dongle, or
the software that realies on it, will be fruitful on the linux side.
This link below detail linux audio i/o, could be very helpful.
http://libremusicproduction.com/article ... arted-jack
Cheers
and useful to some extent.
http://linux-sound.org/midi.html
I'd look into installing mididings, kmidimon, and several other midi
utilities at the link, and see if you can find what is being sent
by the various controls on your Arturia, and see what can be midi-learned
or controlled by linux side apps.
Maybe there is a bitwig script for other arturia hardware
that could be modified or used. You can look at Nektar controller scripts
for examples, perhaps modifying for setup. Thomas Helze has a long
scripting discussion in the bitwig forum stickies area.
You can ask at the zynaddsubfx forum here,
regarding midi-learnables, and join the LAU linux audio mail-list
to ask questions where linux devs are frequent participants.
Reaper in wine may be another avenue, maybe someone has
some reaper template created for arturia gear, that would allow some functions
without the dongle. I don't think time spent on the dongle, or
the software that realies on it, will be fruitful on the linux side.
This link below detail linux audio i/o, could be very helpful.
http://libremusicproduction.com/article ... arted-jack
Cheers
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- KVRist
- 46 posts since 21 May, 2016
thank you for the tips...
i will see if i find a solution
thanx alot!
i will see if i find a solution
thanx alot!
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
At the reaper forum, member alextone spent the time to document and post
a detailed explanation of commands to use netjack for slaving a linux computer
to a win computer running Kontakt.
Scroll down a bit at the link if interested...
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=85588&page=12
and he also posted a png of a native linux reaper session, for orchestral use.
http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i...49f258f9fd.png
a detailed explanation of commands to use netjack for slaving a linux computer
to a win computer running Kontakt.
Scroll down a bit at the link if interested...
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=85588&page=12
and he also posted a png of a native linux reaper session, for orchestral use.
http://storage4.static.itmages.com/i...49f258f9fd.png
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/instruments/
For people recently using the newer linux plugin versions
of zynaddsubfx and yoshimi, you may have missed the
folder of unsorted (un-named) sounds (at the above link)
from the original author, around 180 sosunds,
with .xmz or .xiz extension.
Most people will find a few dozen keepers worthy
to give names. Put them in a new preset
folder, and add that to the list in your plugin prefs preset list.
The readme says they have lots of reverb,
but thats easy to modify, as desired.
Has two of my very favorite strings pads, among the delicasies.
------------------------------------
http://moddevices.com/
A new batch of rugged plugin-hosting stompboxes is available
for pre-order-reservation, shipping August 10th,
worth investigating for those craving a streamlined powerpacked
combo of linux hardware/software based sounds/effects.
$450 pre-order price.
A project mp4 is at the above link
Cheers
For people recently using the newer linux plugin versions
of zynaddsubfx and yoshimi, you may have missed the
folder of unsorted (un-named) sounds (at the above link)
from the original author, around 180 sosunds,
with .xmz or .xiz extension.
Most people will find a few dozen keepers worthy
to give names. Put them in a new preset
folder, and add that to the list in your plugin prefs preset list.
The readme says they have lots of reverb,
but thats easy to modify, as desired.
Has two of my very favorite strings pads, among the delicasies.
------------------------------------
http://moddevices.com/
A new batch of rugged plugin-hosting stompboxes is available
for pre-order-reservation, shipping August 10th,
worth investigating for those craving a streamlined powerpacked
combo of linux hardware/software based sounds/effects.
$450 pre-order price.
A project mp4 is at the above link
Cheers
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- KVRist
- 95 posts since 25 Feb, 2013 from United States
Cool! I'm a contributing author, and I didn't know about these. I really need to refurb the demo song section, and I think I may find some inspiration.glokraw wrote:http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/instruments/
you may have missed the
folder of unsorted (un-named) sounds (at the above link)
from the original author, around 180 sosunds,
with .xmz or .xiz extension.
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
Thanks for working on zynaddsubfx! Now that it's a linux-vst plugin,
I'm looking forward to sampling some layered sounds with the linux version
of discoDSP's Bliss sampler. Gotta carve out some weekends without distractions.
Cheers
I'm looking forward to sampling some layered sounds with the linux version
of discoDSP's Bliss sampler. Gotta carve out some weekends without distractions.
Cheers
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- KVRAF
- 9132 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
Ardour 5 has arrived, so I gave the linux version a spin,
and second time being the charm, after some forum help from
the author, I had a successful session set up.
I loaded the linux versions of Zebra2, Helm,
discoDSP's Discovery Pro and Bliss sampler,
and U-he's free TyrellN6 and Podolski.
The plugin guis behaved themselves, with the sounds as nice
as expected. Didn't notice any cpu issues with 6 plugins,
and made a fun little jam loop with some sequence presets,
and a sampled Hive pad. I really like the Ardour color scheme,
not too dark, well chosen colors, enough contrast between
text and backgrounds to be readable...overall well suited for long sessions without eyestrain.
While there are a lot of clicks to get a new session stocked
with plugins, session-saving and using the favorites system
will minimize that as time goes on.
A very reasonable $46 gets you a year of updates,
plus the next major version, quite a bargain for users
of linux plugins, who also want features for large projects.
Less than 13 pennies a day...
Cheers
and second time being the charm, after some forum help from
the author, I had a successful session set up.
I loaded the linux versions of Zebra2, Helm,
discoDSP's Discovery Pro and Bliss sampler,
and U-he's free TyrellN6 and Podolski.
The plugin guis behaved themselves, with the sounds as nice
as expected. Didn't notice any cpu issues with 6 plugins,
and made a fun little jam loop with some sequence presets,
and a sampled Hive pad. I really like the Ardour color scheme,
not too dark, well chosen colors, enough contrast between
text and backgrounds to be readable...overall well suited for long sessions without eyestrain.
While there are a lot of clicks to get a new session stocked
with plugins, session-saving and using the favorites system
will minimize that as time goes on.
A very reasonable $46 gets you a year of updates,
plus the next major version, quite a bargain for users
of linux plugins, who also want features for large projects.
Less than 13 pennies a day...
Cheers
