Presonus Updates Studio One and New Presence XT Editor

[aMUSEd]

It is, but one consequence of the Apple takeover was making them all free and part of Logic.

[murnau]

Actually it was a paid addon originally though (as were most of the Logic instruments) so I think there is some validity to the argument you don't usually see hosts coming with full blown samplers.

Actually someone pointed out earlier in this thread that FL Signature comes with full DirectWave. Anyway, it should be natural that the most expensive edition didn't torture their user with half-baked plugins. I mean we talking about a sampler and what i read about the extra cost add-on is basic stuff and far from special.

[woodsdenis]

It is, but one consequence of the Apple takeover was making them all free and part of Logic.

Apple took over Logic 14 years ago !! It has been a part of Logic since then, wether we like it or not they shifted the paradigm in the cost of DAWs. Simply to dismiss something because its part of a big company doesn't make business sense for the competitors , they are still competing with them in terms of features and price wether its Ableton, Bitwig, SB, Apple or Presonus. So it is a valid point YMMV.

As far as this thread goes bungle has a view and a point to make, trolling around other forums is childish and quite weird tbh, wether you agree with him or not. I will say it again charging $100 for an editor for a sample player plugin is a lame move.

[murnau]

I will say it again charging $100 for an editor for a sample player plugin is a lame move.

Agree (and anyway especially in 2016 it's very lame).

[RockinMillie]

I will say it again charging $100 for an editor for a sample player plugin is a lame move.

Agree (and anyway especially in 2016 it's very lame).

That is a fair enough opinion. But don't just single out Presonus.
As I said before, if you buy the full version of Cubase 8.5 Pro, you will still have to shell out extra for the full version of HALion Sonic 2 if you wish to edit samples.

AFAIK Sonar Platinum, Pro Tools HD or Samplitude Pro X2 Suite do not have sample editing functionality included (I may be mistaken). So again it will involve further investment or freeware tools to do so.

Like it or not, we live in a market driven capitalist system and you can hardly blame one software vendor for pitching its product in the same ball-park as its competitors (FL Studio and Logic not withstanding).

[aMUSEd]

I will say it again charging $100 for an editor for a sample player plugin is a lame move.

Agree (and anyway especially in 2016 it's very lame).

That is a fair enough opinion. But don't just single out Presonus.
As I said before, if you buy the full version of Cubase 8.5 Pro, you will still have to shell out extra for the full version of HALion Sonic 2 if you wish to edit samples.

You can't edit samples in Halionsonic full either, need Halion for that.

[RockinMillie]

I will say it again charging $100 for an editor for a sample player plugin is a lame move.

Agree (and anyway especially in 2016 it's very lame).

That is a fair enough opinion. But don't just single out Presonus.
As I said before, if you buy the full version of Cubase 8.5 Pro, you will still have to shell out extra for the full version of HALion Sonic 2 if you wish to edit samples.

You can't edit samples in Halionsonic full either, need Halion for that.

Apologies, you are quite correct, thank you. The fact still remains that HALion is not included with the DAW and requires extra expenditure.

[woodsdenis]

The full Ableton Live has a sampler with editor, we forgot about that one. Probably the most widely used DAW on the planet.

Halion 5 is much more than an editor for HalionSonic, I don't think anyone would really compare it to Presence XT with an editor. Lets be realistic here. They both playback samples, thats where it ends, and lets not forget all SB VST are multi platform. However if you see them as similar, so be it. Evil Dragon or Simon could give you a very specific list of the differences if they care to.

[murnau]

So far Ableton Live and FL Studio comes with a serious Sampler (editor) right from the start. While Steinberg and Presonus like to squeeze some extra cash. Did I said I'm not to surprised?

[beatmangler443]

You were disrespectful to a NI employee so you got what you deserved.

Erm, what is it you think i got exactly ?
You asked for somebody to be banned in a public thread and where given a warning not to do so, I am not banned, just posted for you at NI as proof, now take your petty garbage and put it wherever you like, nobody actually cares.

As for the rest of the Ad Hominem crapola in your post, gotta love it when nobody knows anything about you and chats utter garbage to try and find things out hahaha

Saw you won't comment on maschine anymore. Sorry to hear that. Were you able to install imaschine on your iphone 4 or flip phone?

[RockinMillie]

So far Ableton Live and FL Studio comes with a serious Sampler (editor) right from the start. While Steinberg and Presonus like to squeeze some extra cash. Did I said I'm not to surprised?

Not quite the full picture as far as Live is concerned. With the current version you get the Ableton Sampler included only if you buy Ableton Suite, priced at a whopping 599 Euros (approx 450 quid):

https://www.ableton.com/en/live/feature-comparison/

Versus S1 Pro V3 at £279 plus £67 for the Presence XT add-on.

https://shop.presonus.com/products/soft ... ne-add-ons

Again, I refer back to my earlier comment about keeping the price of the DAW down.

I guess we are just going to have to agree that we differing perspectives on this

For the record: I do not think that Presonus is a wonderful prancing pony and that everything they do is beyond reproach. As with all software, DAWs especially, there are plus and minus considerations. I have some gripes with S1, but they do not outweigh the positives for me.

For me the bottom line is this: why should I, who has no interest at all in editing samples and sample construction subsidise the people that do, by paying more money for a DAW that has such specialist tools included ?

For example, I use Finale notation software as part of of my composing process before I even sit in front of a DAW.
Therefore I require a fully featured notation tool to do this and, I totally prefer it to be independent of any DAW I use, in the event that I change DAW.
Therefore I would not personally want to pay more money for S1 Pro because Presonus included a version of Notion within S1.

I prefer the a la carte approach and do not see it as squeezing more money from customers.
I see it as paying for what tools you like to use. It's much fairer that way.

[murnau]

If you buy the biggest pro version of a DAW i would expect that you at least get a Sampler with some editor functions but thats of course my own opinion as you already pointed out. About keeping the price low: It's not like S1 cost $60 like Reaper or Tracktion.

I prefer that not every update which isn't maintance have to be paid therefore I will maybe sell my S1 this year. I don't like the idea of paying a major upgrade and in between add-ons. Call me oldskool or narrow-minded.

[bronxsound]

i am fairly sure xt editor will be included in the highest trier subscription

[xamido]

Not old school, but whiny entitled customer.

And selling a DAW just because of that? Good riddance. Now we know you don't use that DAW for making music anyway. Cause i wouldn't wanna stop using the DAW i'm most comfortable with just because they sell add-on that i'm never gonna use anyway.

[murnau]

Not old school, but whiny entitled customer.

And selling a DAW just because of that? Good riddance. Now we know you don't use that DAW for making music anyway. Cause i wouldn't wanna stop using the DAW i'm most comfortable with just because they sell add-on that i'm never gonna use anyway.

I'm comfortable with FL or Tracktion as well. It's not that much difference in workflow this days. I dropped Cubase for their price scheme and i have no problem to do this with Presonus as well you whiny entitled board member.