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No_Use · Post by **No_Use** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:42 pm

Want to experiment with delay feedback loops (having VST chains inserted in the feedback path) and wondering which sub-hosters allow this.

I've tried / heard the following so far (correct me if wrong):

- MUX: no feedback loops, but a modular delay module which allows custom inserts in the feedback path

- Usine (the older VST version): yes

- Bidule: yes

- Melda MXXX: obviously yes, but can it host VSTs in the feedback loop ?

- IL Minihost modular: no

What else ?

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:50 pm

No_Use wrote:- Melda MXXX: obviously yes, but can it host VSTs in the feedback loop ?

Nope, it can't host VST(*) anywhere.

(* I dont believe the Melda plugins that can be used inside MXXX are actually the VST versions.)

Also, WRT other subhosts:

Patchwork : No, AFAIK

Magma : No

energyXT(*) : Cant remember

(*) If it even still runs as a plugin.

Basically, Im pretty sure the only one that does is Bidule.

edit : btw Another way to try it would be with a 'wormhole' type plugin (http://www.kvraudio.com/product/wormhole_by_plasq) but I dont know of any(**) which are 64-bit if that matters.

edit2 : ** except maybe ReaStream by CockOS

No_Use · Post by **No_Use** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:40 pm

Thanks whyterabbyt.

I'd like to keep this as simple as possible so the network / LAN approach (wormhole etc.) I prefer to avoid.

Think I'm going with Usine (old "Pro" VST version) for now as I have that already anyway.
Already done some whacky feedback patches and it works quite nicely.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:54 pm

No_Use wrote:Think I'm going with Usine (old "Pro" VST version) for now as I have that already anyway.

Ah, yes, of course. Windows 32-bit only, though, AFAIR? Really wish they'd get Hollyhock out as a plugin, I dropped my sub/whatever that became because it never happened.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:57 pm

Or one of the cut down versions of Live and use the send feedback feature, assuming you don't have Live

ccDuckett · Post by **ccDuckett** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:26 pm

One that's often overlooked is VSTForx http://www.kvraudio.com/product/vstforx ... odschynski
I haven't tried it yet in a feedback-loop setup, but AFAIR there's no reason why it couldn't.

No_Use · Post by **No_Use** » Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:34 pm

Ableton Live, would mean using another standalone host / DAW (as it's not the DAW I'm using currently), so doesn't quite fit the 'simple as possible' setup.

Completely forgot about VSTForx, will have a look.

Thanks for the suggestions.

which VST sub-hosters allow feedback loops ?