Is there a vst FX that can fusion two different musics into one new music
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- KVRAF
- 4213 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
Pretty cool Spectrumworx experiment! What module did you use for this?Frantz wrote:Maybe try using Spectrumworx to mix tracks via FFT? For example, CinningBao did this mixture of U2's 'Mysterious Ways' and Snap!'s The Power':
https://soundcloud.com/cinningbao/she-m ... ious-power
- KVRAF
- 6304 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Don't know. CinningBao made it, not me.Neon Breath wrote: Pretty cool Spectrumworx experiment! What module did you use for this?
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- KVRAF
- 4213 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
OP is looking for audio morphing, if I understood well what he said.
For cheap solutions, I would go with Morph. Or Alchemy.
Or if you're rich, Kyma.
For cheap solutions, I would go with Morph. Or Alchemy.
Or if you're rich, Kyma.
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- KVRAF
- 2456 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK
Hey Neon- thanks for the repost!
It's ugly, I know, but you can take the magnitude of one signal and apply it to the phase of another signal using the Inserter module. The higher you can take the sample rate (while balancing with the window size.. ie. at 44100 - 1024 window size, at 88200 - 2048 window size, at 176400 - 4096 window..) the 'better' the response from the FFT algorithms.
FFT likes clean signals so try to keep from re-pitching or stretching/shrinking the source material too much..
Or just do what you want and have fun!
It's ugly, I know, but you can take the magnitude of one signal and apply it to the phase of another signal using the Inserter module. The higher you can take the sample rate (while balancing with the window size.. ie. at 44100 - 1024 window size, at 88200 - 2048 window size, at 176400 - 4096 window..) the 'better' the response from the FFT algorithms.
FFT likes clean signals so try to keep from re-pitching or stretching/shrinking the source material too much..
Or just do what you want and have fun!
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- KVRAF
- 4213 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
That was a great experiment. Not ugly at all. In fact, it inspired me to experiment more with my own SpectrumworxCinningBao wrote:Hey Neon- thanks for the repost!
It's ugly, I know, but you can take the magnitude of one signal and apply it to the phase of another signal using the Inserter module. The higher you can take the sample rate (while balancing with the window size.. ie. at 44100 - 1024 window size, at 88200 - 2048 window size, at 176400 - 4096 window..) the 'better' the response from the FFT algorithms.
FFT likes clean signals so try to keep from re-pitching or stretching/shrinking the source material too much..
Or just do what you want and have fun!
Ethereal applied to the phases gives some pretty wild and interesting blended sounds too.
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- KVRAF
- 2456 posts since 15 Apr, 2004 from Capital City, UK
I should clarify my definition of ugly in this context - I meant that the technology is not smart and doesn't "replace bassline 1 with bassline 2" type 'blending'. But yes, I love this ripping-sound-to-shreds functions of FFT, particularly SpectrumWorx. In fact the presets I included in the last release kind of offer some starting points for FFT side-chaining..
As Adamski sampled on Live and Direct, "I love technology".. I just wish it (FFT) wasn't so difficult to understand mathematically and in the various code worlds. Need a smarter thinking cap
As Adamski sampled on Live and Direct, "I love technology".. I just wish it (FFT) wasn't so difficult to understand mathematically and in the various code worlds. Need a smarter thinking cap
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 98 posts since 18 Sep, 2015
Teksonik; Mon Oct 05, 2015 6:30 pm
Re: Is there a vst FX that can fusion two different musics into one new music
******* OBYONETAOPY wrote:
I desesperatly seek for a vst FX or VSTI that would give me the possible of playing two or more different musics (in) and give me (out) a completly new music (fusion/merge/morph/etc... of the in musics added) *****
I don't think he's asking for DJ Style Mix ups or mash ups whatever they're called but instead for some kind of algorithmic or A.I. plugin that takes two different styles of music and creates a new piece of music.
I'm not aware of such a plugin but then I'm not looking for one so maybe there is something out there in some form.
Certainly there is algorithmic composition software.
http://www.essl.at/software.html
http://algorithmiccomposition.org/
At any rate even if the question was newbie (yes it was newbie n not ashamed of it at all) or unreasonable I don't think it called for the cuntish replies......
So, THAT is an ANSWER !!!!
( take exemple on this instead of replying non sens guys (nothing is impossible in music, especially at the basis of it all),Teksonik pondered my question, reflected as if himself was in my shoes and bling the light switched on in him and he gave this intelligent answer, that gives me a holyday from reading painfull youz)
ALGORYTHMIC rings a bell inside !!!, yes, I nearly can achieve a sort of apparent mixing of multiple different tracks, if I turn my SYNTHED wavs tracks into midi PIANO SIMPLE NOTES and convert them midi PIANO SIMPLE NOTES back into wavs piano TRACKS to positioning them differently under each others in AUDACITY.....
That newbie way of doing (I can do much worse) allow me to see where are the CLOGS between the tracks, and get rid of them, then retransform THE WAVS MIXED PIANOS SIMPLE NOTES THAT HAVE GOTTEN MORE COMPLEX into a midi TRACK and apply to it a vsti n some effectS to make a new MUSIC.... but it's too much work (and soundmecanics tends to P*** me off real quick)....
I guess an algorythmic VST could very well see very fast where are the clogs BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT TRACKS and where are the possible OPENINGS to harmonies that could match in the DIFFERENT tracks to do a new track (I know there are some VST that does that, but most of them are well above the thousand dollars, and my quest is for a FREE ONE or a not expensive one, or a trick with two or three vsts that could do the job together !!!!
Anyway my music (keywords : obyonetaopy bandcamp) is mostly worked with hazard .... (just like JOHN CAGE n others big musicians used to do), so I have no real goals to achieve in fact, in music, (I am TOTALY FREE of expectations) and one thing for sure, I don't want to learn music, nor learn how to do it, because my quest is to stay a complete NAIVE in MUSIC, a non knowin anything about music to be able to be a good friend of HAZARD and sounds, vibs, tones, MYSTERY, etc, AS TO CONTINUE TO MARVEL AT MUSIC if you understand what I am tryng to say here ? (it will b difficult for some)
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 98 posts since 18 Sep, 2015
here, ANOTHER ONE GOOD ANSWER
Frantz; Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:07 pm
Re: Is there a vst FX that can fusion two different musics into one new music
Maybe try using Spectrumworx to mix tracks via FFT?
Frantz; Mon Oct 05, 2015 7:07 pm
Re: Is there a vst FX that can fusion two different musics into one new music
Maybe try using Spectrumworx to mix tracks via FFT?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 98 posts since 18 Sep, 2015
SEARCHING long enough, I found this uninexpensive one that could be closed to do the trick ????
PSYGEN
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/psygen-by-m-rgt
BUT someone says in the comments, that : It is no longer available, as noted above. M-RGT is out of business.
PSYGEN
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/psygen-by-m-rgt
BUT someone says in the comments, that : It is no longer available, as noted above. M-RGT is out of business.
- KVRAF
- 4764 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
I think you greatly underestimate the number of such tools out there. The right keywords will be your best friends in your future Google searches. Best of luck!
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- KVRAF
- 16977 posts since 23 Jun, 2010 from north of London ON
Yes to the idea he is looking for an easy answer. He would be much better off working on his chops first.VariKusBrainZ wrote:Sounds like you cant be arsed to do the creative leg work yourself, maybe you should try a new hobby, I feel collecting cushions might suit you, or Hello Kitty paraphernalia
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If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
If a billion people believe a stupid thing it is still a stupid thing
- KVRAF
- 1642 posts since 3 Sep, 2005 from Outer Bongolia
I'm not sure I'm following exactly what you're looking for, but Onyx Arranger comes to mind...
"Using Musical Object Morphing technology (MOM) Onyx allows easy conversion of a ready MIDI file to Onyx Orchestrator Style (up to 10 tracks and 16 measure length) without losing any nuances, which can be later used for generation of a new song accompaniment following any chord progressions (up to 100 chord types and 1/8 note step if you want), even in a different meter. You may have as many OOStyles per song as you want and they will sound perfect in every Chord, Key, Scale and Meter. Styles can be merged by Orchestrator clips editing: you can drag an instrument/clip of one OOStyle to the zone of another OOStyle..."
It is actually now available free from
http://www.jasminemusic.com/onyx.htm
I think it may be limited to Windows XP, but I'm not sure about that.
EDIT: Onyx is a standalone application, not a VST, but MIDI is pretty easy to export/import, and you can use a virtual MIDI cable (is MidiOx still available?) to rout MIDI from Onyx to your host to use your VSTi's while working within Onyx.
"Using Musical Object Morphing technology (MOM) Onyx allows easy conversion of a ready MIDI file to Onyx Orchestrator Style (up to 10 tracks and 16 measure length) without losing any nuances, which can be later used for generation of a new song accompaniment following any chord progressions (up to 100 chord types and 1/8 note step if you want), even in a different meter. You may have as many OOStyles per song as you want and they will sound perfect in every Chord, Key, Scale and Meter. Styles can be merged by Orchestrator clips editing: you can drag an instrument/clip of one OOStyle to the zone of another OOStyle..."
It is actually now available free from
http://www.jasminemusic.com/onyx.htm
I think it may be limited to Windows XP, but I'm not sure about that.
EDIT: Onyx is a standalone application, not a VST, but MIDI is pretty easy to export/import, and you can use a virtual MIDI cable (is MidiOx still available?) to rout MIDI from Onyx to your host to use your VSTi's while working within Onyx.
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
I want to perform brain surgery, but my goal is to remain completely naive to the art of medicine and not learn anything about it. Is there some tool that will cut into people's heads and just sort of fix them automatically for me?Anyway my music (keywords : obyonetaopy bandcamp) is mostly worked with hazard .... (just like JOHN CAGE n others big musicians used to do), so I have no real goals to achieve in fact, in music, (I am TOTALY FREE of expectations) and one thing for sure, I don't want to learn music, nor learn how to do it, because my quest is to stay a complete NAIVE in MUSIC, a non knowin anything about music to be able to be a good friend of HAZARD and sounds, vibs, tones, MYSTERY, etc, AS TO CONTINUE TO MARVEL AT MUSIC if you understand what I am tryng to say here ? (it will b difficult for some)
Seriously, I think you'll find that John Cage actually knew what he was doing. If you simply want to make uninformed explorations into the field of sonic experimentation, more power to you. My own experience has been that learning as much as possible about any given discipline will yield better results, not worse. You are choosing a lazy, uninformed approach, and the results are likely to reflect the amount of effort you put in.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.