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AB69 · Post by **AB69** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:42 am

I've been trying to make some heavy driving techno lately and cannot for the life of me get the bassline down. I can get the kick and percussion down, but cannnot get the bassline. The basslines that I am trying to get are like these:

1:04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1IQpMspSt4
4:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxZfGxEx_Tg
3:03
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GpCVU2vlYg

A lot of times the bass line isn't even prominent but throughout the tracks there always seems to be some kind of pumping white noise thing going on. I know how to use sidechain compression but I can't seem to really pinpoint the exact sound/groove of the bass. Sometimes it could even be some low pass filitered toms/perc patterns. Is there any white noise sidechain going on? Possibly a long white noise sample and with a 1/4 sidechain LFO going on during the basslines to give that pump? I also cant seem to get the patterns down the bassline. My main genre is trance so most basslines are just triplets and everything on the grid.

Lejurai · Post by **Lejurai** » Tue Sep 01, 2015 3:56 pm

With quick listening with crappy pc speakers I'd say that

1. heavily filtered subsound. May be square with tiny filter envelope to make it bit plucky.

2. this sound isn't basically bass.. It's done with reverb from kick (can't find the tutorial in my mind quickly so help yourself

3. If I hear right, there's some low offbeat sine. On top some layered, downpitched and filtered percussions etc.

Lejurai · Post by **Lejurai** » Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:34 am

Did you manage to remake these?

AB69 · Post by **AB69** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:31 am

Can anyone expand on this reverb techno sidechain?

MFXxx · Post by **MFXxx** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:39 am

Definately a lot of multi side chaining on the sounds and reverb for various parts.

The bass sounds like a bass with an arp and short decay. May be a virus Ti but I could be wrong.

In a basic form, this track sounds like it has several instances on various parts sidechaining multiple reverbs sends on the noise sweeps and other sounds. so In basic terms :

I think you need to experiment with arp, swing, sidechain compression and filters with lots of nice automation, overall listening to track 1. Track 3 is most definately sidechain compression with pump. Something like fabfilter Pro G can do this. But you may have stock plugins that are more than capable depending on your daw.

I'd say youtube sidechaining. Listen to the sounds and construction.

Hooj · Post by **Hooj** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:16 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9SnWChDAHw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZADIC5tCGc

Check the channel of the 2nd vid..... Those guys have a few other good tutorials.

shroom81 · Post by **shroom81** » Wed Dec 14, 2016 7:47 am

For the sub heavy Techno kick send the kick to a convolution reverb followed by a lowpass filter and a compressor that is sidechained to the kick and be sure keep that all in mono.
I mostly use NI Reflektor but sometimes I use Max4Live convolution reverb, algorithmic reverbs work to but with convolution every hit sounds the same and for bass that is essential imo.

Just make sure the base of your sounds are strong otherwise it will all end up sounding thin and weak, I mostly use Softube Modular these days and the kick's, tom's and basses coming out of that are just on another level to other Vsti's and it's just the perfect synth for Techno. I f**king love making kicks with that thing.

Here's a short 1 min example, everything is Modular except one instance of Arcsyn.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B9FRI ... 0lkNVppMms

kenobi77 · Post by **kenobi77** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:58 pm

^ Nice track

Will give those suggestions a try myself

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:36 pm

try creating the kick reverb then sampling it then reversing it , then using that as the bassline

_al_ · Post by **_al_** » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:22 pm

i always go the white noise route.
in fact, you can hear it at the start of your 2nd song you posted. just a kick and a rumble.
you can do this with reverb, but imo white noise is better because it contains all the frequencies, and it wont magnify certain bass notes when they fall on top of it.
just sample a section of noise and load it into a sampler that lets you draw custom volume envelopes, or use something like volumeshaper to create the curve you want

zethus909 · Post by **zethus909** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:01 am

you mean you low pass white noise and use that as the offbeat bass?

risome · Post by **risome** » Mon Dec 26, 2016 5:21 am

Go and learn all about side chain compression and not just the pumping effect but hi speed to pull the bass line out of the way of the kick i.e. no attack no release max compression

Driving Techno Bassline