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Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:24 am

i love my RBass, i dunno, some might say u could just eq the lower frequencies, but i prefer using RBass on subby sounds like Kicks, Basses. recently after sawing a mixing video someone used Aphex Big Bottom to give a THIN Vocal more bottom and wow, it sounded really great. sadly he didnt use another plugin to compare

, so i have no comparison, that's why i wanted to ask you guys if someone has experiences with both if both are similar or if u use them for different situations?

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:45 am

Dude if I may, you need to spend time using the tools you already have instead of looking for new ones literally every day.

Honestly just trying to help.

Your call though

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 10:06 am

Caine123 wrote:...so i have no comparison...

You have unintentionally highlighted one of the biggest 'problems' here. Try and get out of the habit of comparing (I know - it's hard - I still do it too sometimes!!) and just use your tools to help get you where you want your music to be. A combination of Rbass and eq (or even eq alone) may get you just as good a result - and you will learn something in the process!

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:25 am

you are right definitely

i just have too much time at work ;D

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:03 am

RBass actually features a stupid back version of the MaxxBass product, if you're wanting more control over your generated bass harmonics, that might be one place to look.

Another product worth considering is LoAir. The goal of this processor is to actually generate the lower sub frequencies, not the upper harmonics. It is conceivable, though, that the both could be used together.

LoAir may be more useful if the bass fundamental of the music is more higher sounding than what you would normally prefer. So by using LoAir you could actually introduce a subtle amount of low end frequencies to help bolster the bottom end, for a more potentially deeper, richer sound, but use with care. It could also be used to help move more low air on the kick punches.

There is a more modern hardware unit Aphex has put out and it features both its Big Bottom and it's Aural Exciter tech. That unit actually reminds me of another product I thought would be worth while mentioning, the SPL Vitalizer.

That thing is supposedly not the normal run-of-the-mill exciter, but it was designed based on psychoacoustic principles depicted by the the Fletcher-Munsen curve and the way the ear changes frequency response at different loudness levels.

So, I think, by boosting what is lacking at lower levels it tricks the brain into thinking the sound is lower, more present, and more exciting. I think that's the theory.

While its true that you should probably use what you have. There are some tools designed to make workflows more quicker and efficient and time is everything in this day and age. Then there are other tools that do something a bit different, a bit unique, some of those can also be worthwhile investing in as well because they will offer more paints for your palette.

Then sometimes you just want something new and exciting just to get you motivated about mixing again. An occasional bit of retail therapy can actually be good for your creativity and for your soul.

dotelena · Post by **dotelena** » Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:50 pm

at simon.a.billington :

95% of your posts are Waves praise.
I think it would be important that you make it clear if that's "work" or really just enthusiasm.

Nothing wrong with promoting for money, but it shouldn't be in a sneaky way.

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:22 am

Well first time someone has called me out on my Waves praise. Yeah I use Waves...ALOT, but I don't work for them.

As you can see I'm also a fan of Plugin Alliance, plus I use IK and a few others. My number 1 goto though is usually Waves. Hard to not post tips without suggestions plugins, and i just stick to what I know, what I can verify.

Are my tips not helpful?? The OP posted info regarding Waves R-Bass, I gave them relevant information and even pointed out an interesting device at Plugin Alliance.

Tell you what, if Waves would like to start paying me for saying nice things about their stuff, I might just let them!!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:50 pm

I recently got Waves OneKnob Phatter for bass boosting. Has just a single knob but the rsults are better than those i got using EQs in the past. Anyway i also go the Waves Renaissance EQ now and the combination of both is awesome IMO.

UltimateOutsider · Post by **UltimateOutsider** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:32 pm

For the record, I appreciated Simon's post. I had a question, though:

simon.a.billington wrote:RBass actually features a stupid back version of the MaxxBass product

What does this mean, exactly?

robotmonkey · Post by **robotmonkey** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:04 am

UltimateOutsider wrote:For the record, I appreciated Simon's post. I had a question, though:

simon.a.billington wrote:RBass actually features a stupid back version of the MaxxBass product
What does this mean, exactly?

I think he meant that RBass is a simplified version of MaxxBass.

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:38 pm

Yeah... Simplified version of MaxxBass... How in the hell did I miss that auto-correct error!! LMAO

It's true though. They took the tech out of the MaxxBass plugin and put it in the R-Bass. The trouble is you don't have any control over the settings.

So if you find you like what R-Bass does, but it isn't quite working out in certain situations or you want more control, try getting your hands on MaxxBass.

Those OneKnob plugins are surprisingly quite usable for just one knobs!!

Reminds me of a couple of simple plugins Sonalksis put out there a while back now
http://www.sonalksis.com/creative.htm

I have a couple of their plugins, although I don't have these. You don't really hear much movement from them these days, asides from the very occasional maintenance update. Makes me wonder why they have gone dormant.

FreeG is a free gain plugin with a few other useful features, worthwhile having a look.
http://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.htm

stikygum · Post by **stikygum** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:01 pm

Aphex Big Bottom isn't plugin is it? Hardware typically can sound better than software, but it'll cost ya.

Caine123, do you think you are missing out of some low end for kicks, subs and synth basses? Does RBass sound quite a bit different to you than other subby type sounds you hear from other records?

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:32 pm

stikygum wrote:Aphex Big Bottom isn't plugin is it? Hardware typically can sound better than software, but it'll cost ya.

Caine123, do you think you are missing out of some low end for kicks, subs and synth basses? Does RBass sound quite a bit different to you than other subby type sounds you hear from other records?

In the mixing Video i saw he used aphex big bottom for a vocal and it was awesome! I See that big bottom go es toll 400hz and rbass toll 256hz. Thought to Demo it. I dont See big bottom as separate plugin? IT seems to be very expensive as a bundle. I already got waves aural exciter.

simon.a.billington · Post by **simon.a.billington** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 11:44 pm

Aphex have a more modern unit out there that features both the Big Bottom tech and their Aural Exciter, so there's something for both the bottom and the top end.

That's the unit that reminded me of the SPL Vitalizer, although, I haven seen it in plugin form.

It's just got the boring old name of Exciter though.

chokehold · Post by **chokehold** » Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:14 am

simon.a.billington wrote:I haven seen it in plugin form.

There is a set of Aphex plugins from AVID, I assume Pro Tools only.

But the best Aphex plugin is probably this one, will be adding one to my setup soon. (-ish)

Waves RBass vs. Aphex Big Bottom