Any updates on U-he Hive release?

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OutCider wrote:
trimph1 wrote:Are Hive threads the new Omnisphere threads?
Why? Do people post that it hasn't had an update since launch, underestimate the available sound patches by hundreds and claim a lack of developer communication when information has always been forthcoming in the official forum, from one of the most communicative companies out there, in the one place you'd go to look for it if you wanted to find it? :hihi:
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I kinda understand why people don't know where to look for info. If Hive really is appealing to people outside u-he's existing userbase then its probably a good idea to communicate with them through other means. Email especially, i don't know what u-he's Facebook is like but their Twitter is barely active.

Much as I love it here, this forum isn't exactly welcoming to a lot of Hive's potential market. With the frequent EDM-bashing and the often-unforgiving disdain for warez users here, I can imagine some young bedroom DJ/producers (possibly moving up from their cracked Sylenths) might not feel too welcome. As a software forum it can be intimidating with so many relatively unknown (outside of KVR) plugins getting talked about in such great depth. As a music forum, there is very little discussion of dance artists, DJs, new tracks or in fact any musicians that haven't recently died.

That's not to knock KVR, it is what it is. But i'm sure many of the EDM/trance/brostep types that Hive may appeal to will be looking elsewhere for software info and discussing production, possibly on forums focused on their favourite music, quite likely on Facebook. Urs can't possibly post updates everywhere, but its perhaps a little short-sighted to assume that everyone interested is active on here and knows their way around the place.

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mutantdog wrote:...Urs was reluctant to put the first beta out as it was for the reasons you say about things maybe changing and missing features, it was mainly due to the enthusiasm of everyone on here it came out so early...
No, it was rushed out because of the end date of that coupon code discount U-he did in November. Urs said it would be possible to use it for Hive and it had to be used before January afaik. That is one reason it was bought while still in beta.

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Pretty much all topics here about Hive have been in the U-he forum, including download links and beta reg details, in fact the op has even posted in them, so really not a great mystery to solve Scoobs. Seriously, where better to look for product info than the official forum, which from memory is also linked on the U-he webpage?

Musical genre differences are no excuse for brain laziness or user incompetence, though I'm sure those banging bedroom beatz producer babes you mention will appreciate you drawing attention to their apparent logic deficiencies. I guess stereotypes are there for a reason :hihi:
About their suggested inferiority complexes, to them I say get a grip and hold to your dreams... Just in case you lose your comfort blankie. :lol:
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OutCider wrote:Pretty much all topics here about Hive have been in the U-he forum, including download links and beta reg details, in fact the op has even posted in them, so really not a great mystery to solve Scoobs. Seriously, where better to look for product info than the official forum, which from memory is also linked on the U-he webpage?

Musical genre differences are no excuse for brain laziness or user incompetence, though I'm sure those banging bedroom beatz producer babes you mention will appreciate you drawing attention to their apparent logic deficiencies. I guess stereotypes are there for a reason :hihi:
About their suggested inferiority complexes, to them I say get a grip and hold to your dreams... Just in case you lose your comfort blankie. :lol:
Hey, I'm just trying to consider the perspective of an outsider. You know so many people live in a Facebook-dominated world they often forget that specialist forums exist. Anyway, there was a period after the beta launch when there were several Hive threads here in Instruments and only two in u-he. But if the OP posted in there, well then I take some of it back.

Whether anything I've said is an excuse for laziness or incompetence is beside the point (it isn't BTW). Nevertheless u-he are in the business of making software, if Hive attracts a customer-base that would prefer to receive updates and progress info through a medium other than KVR then that's something they should think about more.

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I saw one of those specific Hive topics in the instrument forum, even posted in it a couple of times, but for the record, I don't count Hive versus ??? threads as worth much of anything, and certainly not as sources for company information. Any kvr user with half a brain knows where to go for official U-he news.

I don't doubt the facebook usage, but one has to ask where these people's heads are at when you factor in purchasers can only get through U-he's site with it's link to their forum here. If it's not laziness or incompetence it's ignorance - Your call.
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I can't speak for everybody else, but when I'm interested in a product, especially one that's in beta, I don't rely on anybody to "send" me anything. I go to the official site or I go to forums, or I setup Google alerts if I really want to know everything that's going on with a certain synth. And if I think something is taking too long or suspect there is a delay or problem, I contact the company.

Point is, I don't expect the company to use every possible means of communication to get information to me. Email is very unreliable. With spam filters and other problems, those emails may never even get to you. In fact, email is the last thing in this world I depend on.

You realistically can't expect a company to use every possible means of getting information to you, especially for preferred methods of your choice.

In short, if something is REALLY that important to you, you'll make the effort to keep up with whatever it is.

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mutantdog wrote:I kinda understand why people don't know where to look for info. If Hive really is appealing to people outside u-he's existing userbase then its probably a good idea to communicate with them through other means. Email especially, i don't know what u-he's Facebook is like but their Twitter is barely active.

Much as I love it here, this forum isn't exactly welcoming to a lot of Hive's potential market. With the frequent EDM-bashing and the often-unforgiving disdain for warez users here, I can imagine some young bedroom DJ/producers (possibly moving up from their cracked Sylenths) might not feel too welcome. As a software forum it can be intimidating with so many relatively unknown (outside of KVR) plugins getting talked about in such great depth. As a music forum, there is very little discussion of dance artists, DJs, new tracks or in fact any musicians that haven't recently died.

That's not to knock KVR, it is what it is. But i'm sure many of the EDM/trance/brostep types that Hive may appeal to will be looking elsewhere for software info and discussing production, possibly on forums focused on their favourite music, quite likely on Facebook. Urs can't possibly post updates everywhere, but its perhaps a little short-sighted to assume that everyone interested is active on here and knows their way around the place.
Good post. I think you're right. But I also think forums, as a format, lean towards an older demographic in general.

Below a certain age their usage has become less common. Not to say nobody young uses forums any more.. Just that there's a definite trend towards other forms of communication for those born after 1990.

I think that generation, who grew up knowing nothing but the internet, are used to regarding it primarily as a tool to communicate with their school friends. It's more about their own little circles, rather than caring what random strangers are saying - which is kinda what forums are.

Where they do still use a forum format, it tends to be things which are pretty stripped down and simplified, like Reddit.

So, whilst I agree with you, I think what you're observing is also related to wider trends..

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I'm not really excusing the ignorance of any users here, the general population is full of ignorant people. And yeah sure its a sad state of affairs when people are so used to having every tiny bit of info handed to them in all directions that they forget how to go looking for it when they need it. Still paying customers though.

Either way, there have been criticisms leveled at u-he in this thread, criticisms which essentially boil down to "it would be nice if you kept us informed about the product we paid for." I could just as quickly jump to Urs' defense (and did) since his activity on here demonstrates better communication than most other devs. Hell, he even apologised in this thread for not mentioning Hive in the last newsletter.

The OPs post was rude as was the other critic i picked up on, no excuses there. I see no benefit in insulting them further, i do however see benefit in understanding why they have these grievances, even if you don't.

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PAK wrote:Good post. I think you're right. But I also think forums, as a format, lean towards an older demographic in general.

Below a certain age their usage has become less common. Not to say nobody young uses forums any more.. Just that there's a definite trend towards other forms of communication for those born after 1990.

I think that generation, who grew up knowing nothing but the internet, are used to regarding it primarily as a tool to communicate with their school friends. It's more about their own little circles, rather than caring what random strangers are saying - which is kinda what forums are.

Where they do still use a forum format, it tends to be things which are pretty stripped down and simplified, like Reddit.

So, whilst I agree with you, I think what you're observing is also related to wider trends..
Thanks PAK, that's kinda how i see it. Before MySpace, forums were the dominant social thing online. They are also one of the last bastions of decent grammer and articulate discussion.

I see how the kids talk to each other on Twitter and its not the way people expect to communicate in forums. So do the EDM kids really wanna come here with its many 30something, 40something ambient drone sound design enthusiasts discussing gear in somewhat nerdy detail? Especially, if they just gonna get lynched for spellin dem tingz bad n not formin dat propa sentence right, brah?

And that's before we even get onto the subject of EDM itself.

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mutantdog wrote:I kinda understand why people don't know where to look for info. If Hive really is appealing to people outside u-he's existing userbase then its probably a good idea to communicate with them through other means. Email especially, i don't know what u-he's Facebook is like but their Twitter is barely active.

Much as I love it here, this forum isn't exactly welcoming to a lot of Hive's potential market. With the frequent EDM-bashing and the often-unforgiving disdain for warez users here, I can imagine some young bedroom DJ/producers (possibly moving up from their cracked Sylenths) might not feel too welcome. As a software forum it can be intimidating with so many relatively unknown (outside of KVR) plugins getting talked about in such great depth. As a music forum, there is very little discussion of dance artists, DJs, new tracks or in fact any musicians that haven't recently died.

That's not to knock KVR, it is what it is. But i'm sure many of the EDM/trance/brostep types that Hive may appeal to will be looking elsewhere for software info and discussing production, possibly on forums focused on their favourite music, quite likely on Facebook. Urs can't possibly post updates everywhere, but its perhaps a little short-sighted to assume that everyone interested is active on here and knows their way around the place.
Agreed with most of that with one exception - people on here (or U-he) can't be forced to suspend their disdain for pirates. Yes, a lot of us made our first entry into production using some dodgy old crack and I don't think this immediately makes these kids bad people. However I think that as long as people maintain the view that this is an unacceptable behaviour, it will maintain pressure on people to start buying their plugins. Put another way, if some kid comes on here spouting on about warez and no one points out that this is unacceptable, what other mechanism exists for them to learn that this is not the done thing?

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What? EDM? Beyond me. Even the u-he website states that Hive will be about progressive rock and R&B.
And that's why I bought it :band2:

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Kindred wrote:Agreed with most of that with one exception - people on here (or U-he) can't be forced to suspend their disdain for pirates. Yes, a lot of us made our first entry into production using some dodgy old crack and I don't think this immediately makes these kids bad people. However I think that as long as people maintain the view that this is an unacceptable behaviour, it will maintain pressure on people to start buying their plugins. Put another way, if some kid comes on here spouting on about warez and no one points out that this is unacceptable, what other mechanism exists for them to learn that this is not the done thing?
I absolutely agree, i also suspect very few people on here can say honestly they have a flawless past in this regard. Still, the piracy-is-unnacceptable stance here is important, it helps me when i have my moments of "why am i paying for stuff my mate's got for free?" self-doubt and it sets a good example to others. Having so many active devs onboard also makes it seem more real to anyone visiting exactly who it is they are depriving hard-earned money from.

Still, i see time and again talk about how all pirates are the same, never pay for anything, never will. This simply isn't true, there are those that will pay and just need a little persuasion, these are the people that need to be encouraged on site. I'm not actually saying we should change our behaviour in this regard, just trying to understand how someone new may feel apprehensive joining a site where they feel they have to lie about the software they use just to fit in.

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You all know how many official forums can be found on KVR. I do not have time to check every forum. If I receive e-mail notifying me that something new was posted on the U-he forum, I would go and look for it, but unless I know something is there- I would not look. Thank you for the link to the “Hive Preview” thread. This thread has 1643 replies. There is no way I can read all the replies. So if there is a new Beta somewhere between the replies, I will not see it. The Beta releases should be posted on the web site. I check the web site regularly looking for the updates. If it says, “Release 3146” it tells me nothing. I need it to be listed by the date, such as “January, 15” that way I would know that I already have it or that it is new. The link to download should be right there- on the product page or in my account. Not on the forum between 1643 replies.
I don't really get this, how are the people buying it early at a discount price getting screwed? What sort of business model would benefit from keeping the public beta forever?
If something is intended and available for sale, it is not fair to also give it for free. It gives people who use it for free unfair advantage. If the Beta has 5 presents, then it is probably ok to offer it free, implying that actual exclusive material will be released later and available ONLY to paying users. If a company releases 500 presets for free, and then adds another 50 sounds for paying users- it will not be fair, as 50 presents not worth of my $100. I understand limited functionality demo that works for 15 days. After 15 days- it should stop working, so it stays exclusive. I don’t want to use plugin that everybody else can use for free. I will not pay for it if it offers me no advantage. If I want to support U-he or other developer, I will make a donation, but buying something that available for free makes no sense.
It must be real tough waiting for some extra presets in the final release. What sound is it that you are missing that you think Hive will produce, and is not covered by your other 349 purchases?
I am hoping for something original that was not already released by other companies. But I am realistic, I know that there is only so much that can be done to a sound. Usually I am able to find few interesting sounds that I would like to use. I am trying to make Dubstep or Trance- like music, so anything that nobody heard before would work, if it is pleasant to the ear. One well known trance producer released composition that was called “Yoy” or something like that because it was using this synth sound that reminds human voice saying “yoy”. He made a lot of money with this song. Again- if this sound first was released for free and everybody else got it, it would not impress anybody. I am looking for sounds that make people say, “Wow- how did she do it?” or sounds that make people want to take more drugs or have another drink because they really feel great. Sounds that make ME feel great, because after all- they all my toys and must make me feel good. And it is very hard to impress me with the sound because I have extensive collection of hardware and software synths. When I use synths, I pick one I want to play with that night. If it makes me happy, it makes in to the song.
Thing is, we now have a lot more than 1000 factory presets that were done with the current beta (I wouldn't be surprised if we surpass 1500 + contributions in a week). There will not be any change in sound until final release. There will only be glitches and flaws removed. If you make music with the current version, it'll sound the same (less, say, hanging notes) after updating to the final.
Thank you for the information. I am not sure what this means. Does it means that 1500 sounds are already available to everybody for free and there will be no new sounds with final release, not available to everybody else for free? In that case- can I have a refund and use the free version instead? (Ok- I don’t really want a refund. I want to have something that people who did not pay don’t have).
Therefore we also concentrated on some other things that we found more urgent - such as a "proper" MIDI Learn mechanism and less clumsy methods to do certain things. That was more important to me than rushing out Hive, which is essentially a fully working product.
It is very upsetting that you did not think it was urgent to let people who supported you buy actually buying your product to know that there was another Beta release with all the other sounds. Instead you let people who did not pay for it use it. I thought that if I pay for the product, I would get a chance to hear about update and new sounds first, before everybody else who did not pay. Sending group e-mail with the info should not be that big of a deal. Also posting it on the “Instruments” forum will help- this is the forum that most of people read daily. It would also be very helpful to have download links right on the product page, and may be they are there, but I was not aware of any changes. Many people have no idea KVR even exists.
Seriously, where better to look for product info than the official forum, which from memory is also linked on the U-he webpage?
Um… the product page, may be?......

I view official forums as a source of information that DUPLICATES or reinforces the information that posted on the web site. I go to official forums when I have technical problems or crashes. If I want to talk about the plugin us, I would go to “Instruments” section. It is being boring in “Instruments section- nobody posts anything there anymore. I don’t like long threads because I have no time to read 300 pages, and if I start from page 23, I don’t know what was already answered. General forums are usually for fun, discussions, rumors and other “unofficial” business. My question was not “official”. I wanted to know if anybody heard anything as I did not hear anything, and I check KVR daily. And I am still upset that I was not notified that there was newer Beta with more sounds. Also I still not sure which version I supposed to download and what is the latest version. I don’t feel like going back and re-read the entire U-he forum to find out. So I guess- I will be waiting for official release and hope that I will get notified when it happens. Thank you for your support.

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This is the full Xenox Soundbank that will appear in the final release.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=427924

This is the full MCnoone bank that will appear in the final release
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=430987

Here's the Patchlib on u-he's website (admittedly not very easy to find)
http://www.u-he.com/PatchLib/hive.html

Here's a decent AlterBoy library for Hive on the kvr downloads page
http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=dl&id=2746


The point of the public beta being free is that u-he do not consider it fair to forcefully charge for beta-testing, the option to buy is there if you like it, a discount is even offered for early adopters but you are not obliged to pay anything until official release. This seems incredibly fair to me, even more so when you consider that what Urs considers an unreleasable beta, many devs would gladly put out as v1.

I was personally unable to buy Bazille until release and just before discount ended, but I'm sure glad i got to use for a while first, made me want it even more. Probably good business sense really.

Anyway, if you bought it a couple of months back, its likely you got a better price on the exchange too, so that's a bonus.

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