nChord v3 - HeartEater IS OUT!

[Avantgarde Sound]

I still don't get what this is, sorry. It says it requires Lemur, but it is seemingly a VST? Then it mentions plugging a controller into it physically, so I don't know what's what.

I don't have an iPad, only android (and TouchOSC). Is this like cthulu or something else?

Hey BeatDriver408,

Yes, it says Liine Lemur is required.
It doesnt say that "it is seemingly a VST".

You can check all the connection possibilities at Liine: https://liine.net/en/downloads/lemur
All are supported but our recommended connection is via a class compliant MIDI device, which you can connect physically to any MIDI sound generator: VST, DAW, AU, HW synth, etc.

Sorry, Android is not Lemur-supported at the moment AFAIK.

Let me know of other questions.

Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
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[ObsoleteAcc99]

Too complex, this needs to be a logic MFX plugin btw. Looks good. it's not the worlds only in harmonic progression thing as claimed, as cubase chord track did it first. You might want to correct that. Cheers and congrats on release.

thanks my man

Haha! Nah, it's actually incredibly easy!! Chocolate cake-easy. 90% of all the functions require 1 (one) touch. The rest 2 or 3 at most.

A careful look would make it clear how nChord is far, as in years far, from a mere Cubase chord track.
And note, I am not putting that feature down. It's useful for Cubase users, but nChord is vastly more powerful. Sincere assessment from experience (I use Cubase's latest version, love it!.)

You are welcome to read through the specs at the winner of the WWW (Worst Website in the World) title, haha! http://www.avantgardesound.com/ 4 minutes will make you see!!

And TheoM, if you have specific questions, I will be really happy to answer them for you as best as I can.

Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
*For the love of the machine
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Hi, that's a really cool attitude thanks

Ok my questions are this. Mac's with the IAC bus make doing one of these as standalone very easy and connect to any daw without use of lemur (very expensive isn't it from memory?) and an ipad.(which i do have but not everyone does!)

*please* consider adding midi support for logic as a native plugin. OR create a standalone version that can route to reason, ANY daw actually through IAC.

Imagine also as a vst plugin with midi in and out.. even in logic or any host (inc reason) one could open image line mini host, connect the midi i/o from your plugin to whatever vst synth they want, then play the progressions from ANY daw. I am talking literally about no more than 10 seconds entire setup.

If there is no chance for a native version, well i will investigate it of course as it looks cool, and see if i can get it working with reason.

[beatdriver408]

I think you would save a lot of people a lot of time saying "this is software for the iPad" right at the top instead of saying you require "Lemur" ... which is something anyone who isn't already familiar with it or has an iPad would know about.

How is that?
Well, let's take a typical usage scenario>

You have your external MIDI controller (a kb, a pedal board, MIDI drum pads, even a phone with an app that can transmit MIDI notes, etc.), and you have a sound generator (a VST, a hw synth, etc.)

By inviting nChord v3 - HeartEater to the party and placing it right in the middle, you can turn your generic MIDI device into an in-harmonic MIDI controller.

The above is what got me confused, this sounds the same as a VST like Cthulu or any other midi arpeggiator.

[Avantgarde Sound]

Too complex, this needs to be a logic MFX plugin btw. Looks good. it's not the worlds only in harmonic progression thing as claimed, as cubase chord track did it first. You might want to correct that. Cheers and congrats on release.

thanks my man

Haha! Nah, it's actually incredibly easy!! Chocolate cake-easy. 90% of all the functions require 1 (one) touch. The rest 2 or 3 at most.

A careful look would make it clear how nChord is far, as in years far, from a mere Cubase chord track.
And note, I am not putting that feature down. It's useful for Cubase users, but nChord is vastly more powerful. Sincere assessment from experience (I use Cubase's latest version, love it!.)

You are welcome to read through the specs at the winner of the WWW (Worst Website in the World) title, haha! http://www.avantgardesound.com/ 4 minutes will make you see!!

And TheoM, if you have specific questions, I will be really happy to answer them for you as best as I can.

Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
*For the love of the machine
http://www.avantgardesound.com/
Twitter: @TweetAvantgarde (http://www.twitter.com/TweetAvantgarde)

Hi, that's a really cool attitude thanks

Ok my questions are this. Mac's with the IAC bus make doing one of these as standalone very easy and connect to any daw without use of lemur (very expensive isn't it from memory?) and an ipad.(which i do have but not everyone does!)

*please* consider adding midi support for logic as a native plugin. OR create a standalone version that can route to reason, ANY daw actually through IAC.

Imagine also as a vst plugin with midi in and out.. even in logic or any host (inc reason) one could open image line mini host, connect the midi i/o from your plugin to whatever vst synth they want, then play the progressions from ANY daw. I am talking literally about no more than 10 seconds entire setup.

If there is no chance for a native version, well i will investigate it of course as it looks cool, and see if i can get it working with reason.

You are welcome TheoM!
I will take a look into that you suggest.
If all goes well, nChord will end up being ported to multiple platforms.
I can't promise anything other than the fact that nChord v3 is already a reality in its current platform and it does work and performs as spec-d.

The truth is that we are completely relying on early project supporters.
Every time a new user supports us by acquiring a license for the current version, this becomes a real small step towards the future with more platforms supported.
This is the bottom line reality.

Additionaly, as anybody can check in our humble but well reputed history of 2 years: at least 99% of our users are happy; the early supporters got a copy for less than half the current price; now they are getting the latest version for half the price, new users get 30% off, I personally give guidance to new users; the testimonials portion in our WWW (Worst Website in the World) website are real and with the emails to back them up, etc.

I guess all that kind of encompasses the philosophy and service spirit.
I firmly believe that nChord v3 - HeartEater is a genuine and innovative contribution to the music-making community. Hope these basic premises take us closer to the goal of keeping up our contribution of valuable ideas in a sustainable way.

Avantgarde Sound is far from self sustaining or anything, but here I am, spending the last drops of my savings and working hard to take the ship to a good port... Having a good time for sure. The user fb I get is what I like the most.


I guess every good dream started this way, didn't it bro?


Oops, I guess I digressed a little!! Sorry!

Let me know of any other questions.
Oh, and since you have an iPad, do get Lemur. I have been lovingly using the platform since the enormously cool JazzMutant days. Love it to bits!!

Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
*For the love of the machine
http://www.avantgardesound.com/
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[stikygum]

Is there going to be a AU plugin of this? (I think my post got buried by that monster mad scientist pic). Been hoping for an AU of this program since version 1. I bought version 3, but I'm hoping it won't be too much of a hassle being forced to get out my iPad and have it tethered to my laptop. The more hardware you start to add onto your portable rig, the less it becomes portable. It becomes cluttered to just sit on the couch with your laptop, mini keyboard, korg nanokontrol, and an iPad. That limits it's creativity in my mind, as I'm more creative in a relaxed environment on the couch than I am in the studio forcing myself to make something.

So I agree whole heartedly with TheoM. Please let there be an AU midi FX for Logic. That's part of the reason why I bought version 3 already.

[Kalamata Kid]

To try to answer the question what is nChord v3:

It is a midi keyboard controller just like any other midi keyboard controller except this midi controller is virtual and it is played on an iPad.

But wait there is more... much more .............................
http://www.avantgardesound.com/

(do I have this right?)

[Avantgarde Sound]

Is there going to be a AU plugin of this? (I think my post got buried by that monster mad scientist pic). Been hoping for an AU of this program since version 1. I bought version 3, but I'm hoping it won't be too much of a hassle being forced to get out my iPad and have it tethered to my laptop. The more hardware you start to add onto your portable rig, the less it becomes portable. It becomes cluttered to just sit on the couch with your laptop, mini keyboard, korg nanokontrol, and an iPad. That limits it's creativity in my mind, as I'm more creative in a relaxed environment on the couch than I am in the studio forcing myself to make something.

So I agree whole heartedly with TheoM. Please let there be an AU midi FX for Logic. That's part of the reason why I bought version 3 already.

I hear you Stikygum!! And thanks so much for being an nChord user and actively supporting the project.
Look, for as long as I don't say something like> "You should never expect a version for X or Y platform", rest assured that X or Y platform is also being contemplated for a future version.

It's not lack of want what prevents me from porting!! It is lack of budget!


In the meantime, all current and potential users can rest assured that nChord, as is, works and is compatible with any synth or sound generator that can receive MIDI notes, and also with any 3rd party controller that can transmit MIDI notes.

iPad/Lemur (and thus nChord) support multiple connection protocols: wireless, mac session MIDI, sw MIDI, IAC MIDI, hw MIDI (via class compliant device, such IK's iRig MIDI), etc.

That and touch support are the reason why Lemur and iPad were chosen for the first fully working prototype and released version of nChord. This platform as a whole also allow us to keep developing our ideas while the logistics get in place for eventually start all portings.


Also Stikygum, remember that nChord includes 4 MIDI multi-touch controllers:
-NoteBoard [the custom chord design facilities],
-ChordBank [the chord bank and chord player],
-PadBoard [in-harmonic scale player], and
-TileBoard [experimental in-harmonic multi-modulation player])

so those who like to play nChord using multi-touch would have never wanted a first full version/prototype in the form of a VST... So far Windows and MAC are not fully ready as touch operating systems. Nonetheless, now with v3 support, users who like physical keys and/or pedals and/or pads can also control nChord instruments externally, so their generic device becomes also a chord controller and an in-harmonic scale controller.



Finally, StikyGum, with more support from the community (buying it, using it and posting about it) and hard work on our side, it should happen eventually, so don't worry, we just need to patiently wait.
With more users, word of mouth will be more powerful than any marketing.

Any additional questions are welcome!

Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
*For the love of the machine
http://www.avantgardesound.com/
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[Avantgarde Sound]

double post, my apologies (feel free to delete!)

[Kalamata Kid]

iPad/Lemur (and thus nChord) support multiple connection protocols: wireless, mac session MIDI, sw MIDI, IAC MIDI, hw MIDI (via class compliant device, such IK's iRig MIDI), etc.
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I had no idea that Lemur and so nChord v3 will support CoreMidi.
Has anyone tried this? I would like to get nChord to work with my iConnectMIDI2+
http://www.iconnectivity.com/iConnectMIDI2plus
I am not at my music computer, will I also have the Daemon?

http://addicted2bass.co.uk/v2/?p=1022
Lemur supports CoreMIDI but, exceptionally, does not support Network MIDI. Instead, Liine created Lemur Daemon, a utility that allows up to eight MIDI ports, thus circumventing Network MIDI’s limitation of a single MIDI port. Such flexibility is necessary in many professional situations.

[Avantgarde Sound]

Has anyone tried this? I would like to get nChord to work with my iConnectMIDI2+
http://www.iconnectivity.com/iConnectMIDI2plus
I am not at my music computer, will I also have the Daemon?

For custom chord design and custom chord progressions and modulation design with nChord, any connection method will work quite good.

For the nChord touch instruments and for the external control of nChord instruments I strongly encourage the use of a class compliant hardware MIDI device, which will result in very low latency that is quite suitable for live performance and overall apparent responsiveness.

nChord fully works via any connection method, but when such hw is used, there is no need for any additional software: You will not need the Lemur Daemon nor MIDI loopbacks, etc.

I personally love to connect my nChord via hw MIDI dins for nice low latency.

Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
*For the love of the machine
http://www.avantgardesound.com/
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[Kalamata Kid]

Has anyone tried this? I would like to get nChord to work with my iConnectMIDI2+
http://www.iconnectivity.com/iConnectMIDI2plus
I am not at my music computer, will I also have the Daemon?

For the nChord touch instruments and for the external control of nChord instruments I strongly encourage the use of a class compliant hardware MIDI device, which will result in very low latency that is quite suitable for live performance and overall apparent responsiveness.

nChord fully works via any connection method, but when such hw is used, there is no need for any additional software: You will not need the Lemur Daemon nor MIDI loopbacks, etc.

I personally love to connect my nChord via hw MIDI dins for nice low latency.--

Just to make sure that we are the same page. To use the nChord with Lemur you prefer to use a hardware device between the iPad and PC such as the iConnectMIDI2+. If so the Lemur Daemon is not required. I suspect the iConnectMIDI2+ is class complaint. Am I correct abut all in this paragraph?

Thanks in advance.

[Avantgarde Sound]

Has anyone tried this? I would like to get nChord to work with my iConnectMIDI2+
http://www.iconnectivity.com/iConnectMIDI2plus
I am not at my music computer, will I also have the Daemon?

For the nChord touch instruments and for the external control of nChord instruments I strongly encourage the use of a class compliant hardware MIDI device, which will result in very low latency that is quite suitable for live performance and overall apparent responsiveness.

nChord fully works via any connection method, but when such hw is used, there is no need for any additional software: You will not need the Lemur Daemon nor MIDI loopbacks, etc.

I personally love to connect my nChord via hw MIDI dins for nice low latency.--

Just to make sure that we are the same page. To use the nChord with Lemur you prefer to use a hardware device between the iPad and PC such as the iConnectMIDI2+. If so the Lemur Daemon is not required. I suspect the iConnectMIDI2+ is class complaint. Am I correct abut all in this paragraph?

Thanks in advance.

Hey Kalamata Kid.

I think we are on the same page.
The way I connect to control my VST's with nChord is like this:

iPad with iRig MIDI (output) --> MAudio MIDIsport (input) [USB-attached to PC]

That gives a nice low-latency performance feel provided you have a low Samples per Buffer setting in your ASIO dialog or whatever protocol you use.


Now, if I want to also control nChord from my regular MIDI keyboard controller (to trigger nChord's ChordBank and PadBoard), I connect like this:

MIDI Keyboard DIN output --> iPad with iRig MIDI (input) THEN iRig MIDI output --> MAudio MIDIsport attached to PC or any other sound generator

This connection method turns it into a very powerful in-harmonic rig.


I have no direct experience with that iConnect product, but if it is possible to re-route its MIDI inputs to its MIDI outputs, then you definitely have a winner combo.


Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
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[Avantgarde Sound]

A Video

Hey Rajah, there's the v1 video at the website http://www.avantgardesound.com/.
Hopefully the v3 videos will be up soon, I just don't want them so out of focus because of the only lousy camera I have.

Still, that v1 video shows what nChord is about.

Granted, you will not find explosions or similar sounds nor 3d effects or other flashy stuff as in other product presentations with big marketing budgets, but you sure can get an idea of what the program can do (minus the v3 features listed in the OP, that is) with minimal open mind.

Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
*For the love of the machine
http://www.avantgardesound.com/
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[stikygum]

Has anyone got their iPad with nChord to send out midi to their DAW, to control software plugins? Do you need a hardware midi interface to get this to work? How is Daemon supposed to be set up with Logic? I thought Daemon output #0 sent to a midi track in Logic would work, but it doesn't.

I personally would rather not use any hardware besides the iPad and Macbook. Don't mind if there is some latency as long as I can get nChord to input chords into Logic X and control it's plugins.

[Avantgarde Sound]

Has anyone got their iPad with nChord to send out midi to their DAW, to control software plugins? Do you need a hardware midi interface to get this to work? How is Daemon supposed to be set up with Logic? I thought Daemon output #0 sent to a midi track in Logic would work, but it doesn't.

I personally would rather not use any hardware besides the iPad and Macbook. Don't mind if there is some latency as long as I can get nChord to input chords into Logic X and control it's plugins.

Hey Stikygum!

You sure can use nChord to control your software synthesizers running within your DAW without any hw interface (there's more latency though as you rightly pointed out, nonetheless I also use this method while on-the-go and similar.)

As per the User Guide, once you loaded nChord to Lemur, simply:

1. Tap on the Settings icon (top right)/"More settings"/MIDI Targets/MIDI 1 "to:" <--- (indicates output)

2. Choose your output port from the list.

That's it. After that simply choose that same port as your input in your Logic track where your sw synth resides.


Any other question, please just let me know. Happy to assist.



Cheers,
Avantgarde Sound*
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