believe it or not im actually one of the oldest and earliest kvr members back to 2 other usernames. i just come back when i have a new project or am starting music again after a long break. anyway, i know this to be true. i believe it when you say that you don't know this. as said, steinberg wants to sweep this under the rug. and they have obviously done a very good job at doing so. just don't be fooled, the cubase reverbs are nothing special. i have nothing against cubase i myself just rebought elements 7. but im still finding that i get asio overloads. its so sad. ive always loved cubase.chk071 wrote:Aha...AstralExistence wrote: its a hidden fact steinberg doesn't like people to mention or want to know.
Well, without a solid proof or source, you could claim anything here, how would people know if you're telling the truth (with which i mean you're telling things which have been confirmed by officials, or trustworth people, and not something you read somewhere else or anything)?AstralExistence wrote: what i say is true though.
Cubase 7.5 stock reverbs
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AstralExistence AstralExistence https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=265049
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- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I only know the Roomworks SE reverb from Cubase, and it's surely not the best, agreed. I like the free Oldskoolverb from Voxengo more for example. But i don't see why they'd want to sweep this under the rug, especially as Ambiance is known to be one of the best free reverbs there is. I mean it's not really a bad thing if the Roomworks thing was built on Ambiance, why would it. Still, if you'd link to the source of your claims, it would be very helpful, otherwise it's nothing but a rumour.
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AstralExistence AstralExistence https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=265049
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your right, all steinberg post on the cubase forums are gone about this. haha go figure. anyway, its a fact. no worries. ill leave it at that. maybe some other very old kvr member who has has been around a very long time can vouch for this.chk071 wrote:I only know the Roomworks SE reverb from Cubase, and it's surely not the best, agreed. I like the free Oldskoolverb from Voxengo more for example. But i don't see why they'd want to sweep this under the rug, especially as Ambiance is known to be one of the best free reverbs there is. I mean it's not really a bad thing if the Roomworks thing was built on Ambiance, why would it. Still, if you'd link to the source of your claims, it would be very helpful, otherwise it's nothing but a rumour.
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AstralExistence wrote:they don't. not even a real comparison. the cubase algorithmic reverbs are based on the free smart electronix ambiance. the new reverb is also ambiance with some added code.
Elements 7 doesn't include REVerence, REVelation or Roomworks, only Roomworks SE that is a lo-fi version of Roomworks. You simply don't know what you are talking about and I'm personally sick and tired of you trying to pass your prejudices as opinions all along this forum.AstralExistence wrote: i have nothing against cubase i myself just rebought elements 7.
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AstralExistence AstralExistence https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=265049
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yepstandalone wrote:AstralExistence wrote:they don't. not even a real comparison. the cubase algorithmic reverbs are based on the free smart electronix ambiance. the new reverb is also ambiance with some added code.Elements 7 doesn't include REVerence, REVelation or Roomworks, only Roomworks SE that is a lo-fi version of Roomworks. You simply don't know what you are talking about and I'm personally sick and tired of you trying to pass your prejudices as opinions all along this forum.AstralExistence wrote: i have nothing against cubase i myself just rebought elements 7.
i never said i only owned elements.
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- KVRAF
- 1790 posts since 13 May, 2004 from Germany
Roomworks is just as bad as RoomworksSE...
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- KVRist
- 429 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Athens, Greece
What AstralExistence says is true. I rememer having read in a Computer Music review that the Cubase reverb (whatever it was called) actually IS Ambience (not in these exact words, but it was pretty clear).
If one cares to search the CM past issues, it shouldn't be hard to find, it's the CM review of the first version of Cubase where this reverb appeared (I mean, if for example the reverb was first included with Cubase SX 3.1, look for the CM review of SX 3.1).
Having said that, I don't see what this has to do with the reverb quality. You don't use it because of it's pedigree but because of it's sound, right?
If one cares to search the CM past issues, it shouldn't be hard to find, it's the CM review of the first version of Cubase where this reverb appeared (I mean, if for example the reverb was first included with Cubase SX 3.1, look for the CM review of SX 3.1).
Having said that, I don't see what this has to do with the reverb quality. You don't use it because of it's pedigree but because of it's sound, right?
If you can't beat your computer at chess, try kick-boxing.
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- KVRAF
- 19134 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Oh, Roomworks is definitely Ambience, no doubt about it. That "Hold" feature is a dead giveaway.
To add to what cimoc said: I find it to be a perfectly serviceable reverb. The killer verb in the 7.5 collection now is the REVelation reverb. A stunning, ever-to-be-underrated algo reverb. Cubase finally got it right with this one (maybe they finally outsourced to the right people?)
To add to what cimoc said: I find it to be a perfectly serviceable reverb. The killer verb in the 7.5 collection now is the REVelation reverb. A stunning, ever-to-be-underrated algo reverb. Cubase finally got it right with this one (maybe they finally outsourced to the right people?)
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- 16151 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
REVelation wasn't outsourced, it's created by their own dev team.bduffy wrote:Oh, Roomworks is definitely Ambience, no doubt about it. That "Hold" feature is a dead giveaway.
To add to what cimoc said: I find it to be a perfectly serviceable reverb. The killer verb in the 7.5 collection now is the REVelation reverb. A stunning, ever-to-be-underrated algo reverb. Cubase finally got it right with this one (maybe they finally outsourced to the right people?)
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- 19134 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
That was meant as a joke.Sampleconstruct wrote:REVelation wasn't outsourced, it's created by their own dev team.bduffy wrote:Oh, Roomworks is definitely Ambience, no doubt about it. That "Hold" feature is a dead giveaway.
To add to what cimoc said: I find it to be a perfectly serviceable reverb. The killer verb in the 7.5 collection now is the REVelation reverb. A stunning, ever-to-be-underrated algo reverb. Cubase finally got it right with this one (maybe they finally outsourced to the right people?)
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- 16151 posts since 12 Oct, 2008 from Here and there
Ah, ok, you never knowbduffy wrote:That was meant as a joke.Sampleconstruct wrote:REVelation wasn't outsourced, it's created by their own dev team.bduffy wrote:Oh, Roomworks is definitely Ambience, no doubt about it. That "Hold" feature is a dead giveaway.
To add to what cimoc said: I find it to be a perfectly serviceable reverb. The killer verb in the 7.5 collection now is the REVelation reverb. A stunning, ever-to-be-underrated algo reverb. Cubase finally got it right with this one (maybe they finally outsourced to the right people?)
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- 19134 posts since 13 Feb, 2003 from Vancouver, Canada
Literally! I don't know if they outsourced or not. Even if they say it's their own team, that could mean people they bring for projects. Not that it matters, terribly.Sampleconstruct wrote:Ah, ok, you never knowbduffy wrote:That was meant as a joke.Sampleconstruct wrote:REVelation wasn't outsourced, it's created by their own dev team.bduffy wrote:Oh, Roomworks is definitely Ambience, no doubt about it. That "Hold" feature is a dead giveaway.
To add to what cimoc said: I find it to be a perfectly serviceable reverb. The killer verb in the 7.5 collection now is the REVelation reverb. A stunning, ever-to-be-underrated algo reverb. Cubase finally got it right with this one (maybe they finally outsourced to the right people?)
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- KVRAF
- 5813 posts since 17 Aug, 2004 from Berlin, Germany
Some of the formerly Wizooverb developers are now working for Steinberg. The new algorithmic reverb "REValation" is using Afaik algorithms from Wizooverb without the convolution part.
Anyway, this latest reverb is a very good high quality reverb without much coloring and not much CPU usage.
Anyway, this latest reverb is a very good high quality reverb without much coloring and not much CPU usage.
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- 2583 posts since 26 Aug, 2002 from here
I thought ReVelation was meant to be the reverb from Halion - it has exactly the same controls but with an added modulation section
It sounds pretty similar too - nice for sense of space, not so sure about it for Lexicon-esque fx thickening but it is free (sort of)
It sounds pretty similar too - nice for sense of space, not so sure about it for Lexicon-esque fx thickening but it is free (sort of)
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