Why did nobody ever recreate a D-50 or DX7 vst?

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There are so many emulations of known vintage synths,
http://vst4free.com/index.php?plug-ins=Synthesizers
but those 2 classics are not out there!

I know there are some emulations of FM synths, or the FM7-8 from NI, but can't find the real thing for the DX7.

Neither the Roland D-50. As you have the SQ8L, I think it should be not that difficult to pump new life into the D-50? The wavetables are simple and it has a digital-analog generator also. (LA synthesis) In fact no LA synthesis synth vst is ever made?

It was one of the most influential sounds of the 80s pop culture, so I think it should deserve a stage?
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http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=420219

here ya go, a nice long read, enjoy :)
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godly wrote: I know there are some emulations of FM synths, or the FM7-8 from NI, but can't find the real thing for the DX7.

What about Dexed ? It is a DX7 Emulator and it can also load sysex files from a real DX7.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 1&t=413885
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Let me add that there are, in fact, emulations of the DX7, like the mentioned FM7/FM8, that go up to the point of Reading the Sys-Ex files of the mentioned synth. Besides those, you have the free Dexed, already metioned here on KVR. This one is so close that the author claims it will be able to act also as a front end software editor for the real thing.

Here, take another read: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=206555

Seems like you have been a little absent, based on your post.
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Thx guys,
I know some FM - Dx emulations, but no LA emulation as stated.
That's really missing, as I like my D50 allot (my first love ;-) )
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godly wrote:Thx guys,
I know some FM - Dx emulations, but no LA emulation as stated.
That's really missing, as I like my D50 allot (my first love ;-) )
The synth engine is not that sophisticated, and there are several virtual synths that follow that pattern. What's missing is the Sound ROM, but that is copyrighted by Roland, and therefore, cannot be included anywhere else.
You can take a look at the virtual Korg M1, for example. It's more or less the same approach, is very good, and it's available. And the virtual edition has much beter filters, with resonance.

The Deep Flight library for Kontakt recreates very well the D50, without using the same D50 ROM sounds, and the Tube OHM Vintage http://www.tubeohm.com/TubeOhm/VINTAGE.html also follows the D50 architecture closely.
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Fernando (FMR)

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Thank you so much ! I thought so this was the problem :) Pitty Roland doesn't release it. Bad business policy I guess?

Where can you find the Korg M1 vst?
I've found it, seems that it's not free though...

http://www.korg.com/us/products/softwar ... page_4.php
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godly wrote:Thank you so much ! I thought so this was the problem :) Pitty Roland doesn't release it. Bad business policy I guess?

Where can you find the Korg M1 vst?
I've found it, seems that it's not free though...

http://www.korg.com/us/products/softwar ... page_4.php
It's not free, of course, but it's very good value. The entire Legacy Collection is very good value for Money and highly recomendable.
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Side question, but... has anyone ever succeeded in reverse-engineering the compression algorithm that Roland used in the D-50 and JD800 sample ROMs?

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+1 It's like every other week a new guy comes in and ask the same question

Based on the popularity of D50, it's high time Roland made a VST of it.

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I would like somebody to circuit emulate dx-7 and emulate the d/a converters, with noise etc .. You know the drill.
circuit modeling and 0-dfb filters are cool

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I often wonder, when a vintage h/w synth emulator is constantly being asked about or proposed as an idea, whether the folks at Roland (or other manufacturer, altho Roland seem to be subject of a lot of these discussions) are watching these threads and deliberately holding off on licensing anything before they feel it's the right time to get the most profit. Letting people winge and whine until they're all so desperate for it that it'll fly out like hotcakes if they finally do it, or licence someone else doing it.

Can't say I blame them for that thinking, if that's the case.

I thought someone had done the D-50 recently. Maybe my mind playing tricks on me, and I'm just thinking about the last thread this was discussed!
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The_Hidden_Goose wrote:I often wonder, when a vintage h/w synth emulator is constantly being asked about or proposed as an idea, whether the folks at Roland (or other manufacturer, altho Roland seem to be subject of a lot of these discussions) are watching these threads and deliberately holding off on licensing anything before they feel it's the right time to get the most profit. Letting people winge and whine until they're all so desperate for it that it'll fly out like hotcakes if they finally do it, or licence someone else doing it.
I don't know, but based on the "plug-out" of the SH-101 they recently launched, I wouldn't hold my breath for a VI created by them. Not that it should be very difficult for them - they included a complete emulation of the D-50 in the V-Synth XT, so, it would be just a matter of porting the code to a platform suited to work in a regular computer and OS.
Fernando (FMR)

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Dexed, Hexter, Herr Mueller's DX7...

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The_Hidden_Goose wrote:I often wonder, when a vintage h/w synth emulator is constantly being asked about or proposed as an idea, whether the folks at Roland (or other manufacturer, altho Roland seem to be subject of a lot of these discussions) are watching these threads and deliberately holding off on licensing anything before they feel it's the right time to get the most profit. Letting people winge and whine until they're all so desperate for it that it'll fly out like hotcakes if they finally do it, or licence someone else doing it.

Can't say I blame them for that thinking, if that's the case.

I thought someone had done the D-50 recently. Maybe my mind playing tricks on me, and I'm just thinking about the last thread this was discussed!

Well Yamaha doesn't have a clue. I couldn't even talk about synth patches with one of their American reps. It was the Japanese division who licensed FM8 to open DX7 patches...

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