KVR Audio

yemski · Post by **yemski** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:12 pm

To reiterate the subject line at the top of the page:

Why has no one made a vst based on this concept?

http://countercomplex.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... ne-of.html

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:18 pm

Essentially, it's using a computer programming language to generate audio results. So it's a bit hard, if not impossible, to generalize that down into a GUI and set of parameters. There's an iPad app that lets you synthesize tones according to maths formulae, but it's a bit basic beyond the initial premise. This is basically the sound of expert coders being really smart.

There's a similar scene in electronics, where small amounts of logic gates and other cheap stuff is wired together to make sounds a bit like a switchboard having a nightmare. They call them Lunettas, I think. You could do somethng similar in Reaktor.

It would certainly be nice to see more experimental sound generation idioms in the VST world. There's not enough atonal, mad noise going on for my liking

Track 2 in the first video is awesome

Almost sounds like lofi dubstep.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:25 pm

As an interesting side-note, I've got similar sounds to this by getting a program to print out a long evolution of 1D cellular automata, turning it on it's side so it's in landscape position, and then loading it into an image sonification program such as Photosounder or Harmor. It had the recursive, evolving rhythm aspect as it's generated by iterative maths. I keep meaning to use it as a rhythmic segue into the start of a drill 'n' bass track. I'll post it to Soundcloud if you're interested.

(Edit: 1D not 2D)

guvnor_p · Post by **guvnor_p** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:26 pm

Isn't that basically what this Reaktor ensemble set out to do?

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/co ... show/7715/

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:28 pm

guvnor_p wrote:Isn't that basically what this Reaktor ensemble set out to do?

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/co ... show/7715/

Nice!

I doubt I'll understand it, but I won't let that stop me

yemski · Post by **yemski** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:36 pm

It would certainly be nice to see more experimental sound generation idioms in the VST world. There's not enough atonal, mad noise going on for my liking

Track 2 in the first video is awesome Almost sounds like lofi dubstep.

Amen to that. I like a lot of the tools that are available today and there are many possibilities. But a lot devs seem to play it a bit safe considering what can be done.

yemski · Post by **yemski** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:40 pm

Sendy wrote:As an interesting side-note, I've got similar sounds to this by getting a program to print out a long evolution of 2D cellular automata, turning it on it's side so it's in landscape position, and then loading it into an image sonification program such as Photosounder or Harmor. It had the recursive, evolving rhythm aspect as it's generated by iterative maths. I keep meaning to use it as a rhythmic segue into the start of a drill 'n' bass track. I'll post it to Soundcloud if you're interested.

Cool concept. I would like to hear that.I might even have to adapt that idea for my own projects.

With all due respect given to the originator of course.

yemski · Post by **yemski** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 11:45 pm

guvnor_p wrote:Isn't that basically what this Reaktor ensemble set out to do?

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/co ... show/7715/

Cool. Downloading it now.

Sendy · Post by **Sendy** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 12:41 am

yemski wrote:
Sendy wrote:As an interesting side-note, I've got similar sounds to this by getting a program to print out a long evolution of 2D cellular automata, turning it on it's side so it's in landscape position, and then loading it into an image sonification program such as Photosounder or Harmor. It had the recursive, evolving rhythm aspect as it's generated by iterative maths. I keep meaning to use it as a rhythmic segue into the start of a drill 'n' bass track. I'll post it to Soundcloud if you're interested.
Cool concept. I would like to hear that.I might even have to adapt that idea for my own projects. With all due respect given to the originator of course.

Here's one of them:

https://soundcloud.com/sendy/sierpinskis-beats

It was made a long time ago, so I'd probably do a better job these days, for example - there's aliasing which disturbs the high end of the pattern somewhat. Always happy to inspire further sound experiments

I think this approach has a lot of ways to go about it, and things to experiment with. Sonifying abstract, mathematical patterns seems to produce more interesting sounds than random photographs and other natural images.

BTW: that Reaktor ensemble is FREAKING AWESOME

CrystalWizard · Post by **CrystalWizard** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:16 am

Sendy wrote: It would certainly be nice to see more experimental sound generation idioms in the VST world. There's not enough atonal, mad noise going on for my liking

big +1

there is a nice selection of potential tools (Reaktor counts x10) but more would be great.

ezelkow1 · Post by **ezelkow1** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:27 am

dont forget csound:
http://www.csounds.com/

I believe there are vst frontends for it, i.e. http://csound.github.io/docs/manual/Com ... ndVST.html

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:36 pm

Fascinating stuff!

I've thought about trying something that reads from small blocks of video memory and either plays it back directly as samples or uses it as step sequencer data for gating, or something along those lines.

cornutt · Post by **cornutt** » Thu Aug 21, 2014 5:33 pm

Max/MSP
CHuCK
Csound