Problem getting the EBM/Industrial snare/clap
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8451 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R86QcTnFgGo
well i try some stuff like taking a simple 909 snare, reverb it a bit, putting some distortion but it doesnt sound anything like this snare. any tips?
well i try some stuff like taking a simple 909 snare, reverb it a bit, putting some distortion but it doesnt sound anything like this snare. any tips?
Last edited by Caine123 on Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8451 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
this is what it sounds so far, not really so nice like the example and my effectrow.
http://www7.zippyshare.com/v/23468400/file.html
http://www7.zippyshare.com/v/23468400/file.html
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- KVRian
- 588 posts since 3 Oct, 2011
Him. I would try stripping off those effects and starting with a bit crusher followed by a compressor. Notice how the snare in the song stays even and then dies abruptly. That's the work of a compressor/transient shaper. I think the grit sounds really digital, too, so experiment with that bit crusher but don't be afraid to really crank the bits down.
I could easily be wrong, as drums are not my strong suit, so hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me steps in.
I could easily be wrong, as drums are not my strong suit, so hopefully someone more knowledgeable than me steps in.
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- KVRAF
- 1580 posts since 22 Apr, 2011 from The House of Zaid
try layering an acoustic snare with the electric one, and compress them both together to meld them together. Use a fast heavy compressor like an 1176 to squash them together.
then try using your effects, there's obviously some distortion and some filtering, not sure what else. I wouldn't put chorus on a snare, that's for sure.
then try using your effects, there's obviously some distortion and some filtering, not sure what else. I wouldn't put chorus on a snare, that's for sure.
Has anybody ever really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
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- KVRer
- 20 posts since 7 Oct, 2010 from Maryland
There was another topic about this before, maybe this will help?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... rial+snare
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... rial+snare
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- Waaaaahhh
- 2224 posts since 30 Jul, 2001 from montreal, quebec,canada
sample it from the song, booom problem solved
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- KVRer
- 22 posts since 14 Feb, 2004 from Norway
To get the typical industrial/ebm snare sound, it is important to have a distortion effect AFTER the reverb. Try this : Compressor > Eq > Reverb > Distortion.
Hope this helps.
Hope this helps.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8451 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
i didnt want to start a new topic, i didnt try it out long time but wanted to get back.
my dry sample:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
and the wet one.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
here is the effects i used and the order is like this, any tips? it still doesnt sound so brutal and full
EQ
Compression
Reverb
Distortion
Limiter
EQ (for small adjustments)
my dry sample:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
and the wet one.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
here is the effects i used and the order is like this, any tips? it still doesnt sound so brutal and full
EQ
Compression
Reverb
Distortion
Limiter
EQ (for small adjustments)
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- KVRAF
- 14656 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
The effect I'm hearing in the video you posted in the first post, clearly show me a couple of things.
- The snare is slightly distorted.
- the reverb is both distorted (the crushed sound) and modulated (pitch down) - the latter could be a feature of the reverb
- the reverb uses a beat related pre-delay, which adds to a rhythmic effect of this song (the "sucked in" punch sound)
So...
- off with all the nonsense of your individual channel other than EQ, compression and/or distortion/bitcrushing maybe
- use a reverb as send FX
- get a beat calculator to declare what pre-delay you need to have the reverb of the snare "respond" like 1/4th to 1/8th of a beat later (plenty of tutorials on the web)
- compress/distort the sh*t out of the reverb
- mix to taste
Not enough noise, add a gated white noise below the snare and send both to the reverb (send FX).
- The snare is slightly distorted.
- the reverb is both distorted (the crushed sound) and modulated (pitch down) - the latter could be a feature of the reverb
- the reverb uses a beat related pre-delay, which adds to a rhythmic effect of this song (the "sucked in" punch sound)
So...
- off with all the nonsense of your individual channel other than EQ, compression and/or distortion/bitcrushing maybe
- use a reverb as send FX
- get a beat calculator to declare what pre-delay you need to have the reverb of the snare "respond" like 1/4th to 1/8th of a beat later (plenty of tutorials on the web)
- compress/distort the sh*t out of the reverb
- mix to taste
Not enough noise, add a gated white noise below the snare and send both to the reverb (send FX).
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
WAY way too much FX on that one, as OPs have said. You've also carved out lots of the low end, so it sounds thin to me. You can't really add harmonics end back (effectively) if you take it out initially. Try and carve out the low end when it's sitting well with other elements in the mix.
Best to start with a really good sample, as you can't polish a turd as the saying goes.
Personally, I'd get a high quality analog type snare (909 or Sp12, etc.). Then layer it with a clap. That will give you some high end, and and add a nice transient.
That sound in the video is totally crushed with a bit crusher (you can hear the artifacts). Then you can add other distortion/compression/reverb, etc.
Pretty much what everyone one else has said in one form or another.
Best to start with a really good sample, as you can't polish a turd as the saying goes.
Personally, I'd get a high quality analog type snare (909 or Sp12, etc.). Then layer it with a clap. That will give you some high end, and and add a nice transient.
That sound in the video is totally crushed with a bit crusher (you can hear the artifacts). Then you can add other distortion/compression/reverb, etc.
Pretty much what everyone one else has said in one form or another.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8451 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
thanks a ton mates, what do you have for tipps for my new try? i tried to follow your tips compyfox! this is how it sounds dry and wet so far, 1 909 snare sample used.
additionally how can i get the fat sounding distortion in there?
dry:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
wet:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
additionally how can i get the fat sounding distortion in there?
dry:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
wet:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1QadM ... sp=sharing
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- KVRAF
- 3959 posts since 10 Sep, 2010 from A shit hole (Ireland).
That's better alright... I wouldn't have the VR verb at 100% mix tho'.
While Camelphat is a very good all rounder and its distortions are cool. It's Bit Crusher isn't the best at all tbh.
But if you want to add more distortion, try running another distortion in parallel (on a bus). Try a guitar distortion if you can (plug in or pedal).
Ohmicide is good for that type of sound and has lots of decent presets.
While Camelphat is a very good all rounder and its distortions are cool. It's Bit Crusher isn't the best at all tbh.
But if you want to add more distortion, try running another distortion in parallel (on a bus). Try a guitar distortion if you can (plug in or pedal).
Ohmicide is good for that type of sound and has lots of decent presets.
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- KVRAF
- 14656 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
Well, the verb is at 100%, since it's probaly a send FX, like I recommended to do.
Now he only needs to mess with the distortion/bitcrushing and the actual pre-delay time.
Maybe downtune the 909 snare, add some slight bitcrushing on top of that (FL Bitcrusher usually works for that purpose). Then extend the pre delay time from 1/8th to 1/4th maybe. Whatever feels great. Then you can further shape the sound with bitcrushing, gating (for a more abrupt sound).
That type of EDM (Industrial) was known to run things through a distortion device to let it sound more agressive. Go wild. Now you know the basic setup - just experiment.
And yes, the "distortion as send FX" does also help to create an overall more gritty sound.
(just for the percussion section for example)
Now he only needs to mess with the distortion/bitcrushing and the actual pre-delay time.
Maybe downtune the 909 snare, add some slight bitcrushing on top of that (FL Bitcrusher usually works for that purpose). Then extend the pre delay time from 1/8th to 1/4th maybe. Whatever feels great. Then you can further shape the sound with bitcrushing, gating (for a more abrupt sound).
That type of EDM (Industrial) was known to run things through a distortion device to let it sound more agressive. Go wild. Now you know the basic setup - just experiment.
And yes, the "distortion as send FX" does also help to create an overall more gritty sound.
(just for the percussion section for example)